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El Grifo 8th Apr 2010 20:30

So Birdog, I see a similarity.

They said of me " He has so much get up and go, he got up and went"

Great innit :ok:

Unburdened of the shackles of the great illusion :}

Happy Daze chacho !

Bruce Wayne 8th Apr 2010 20:38


Interesting press conference earlier today with Broon, Mandy and the bloke with the mis-matched collar and cuffs.

They made a very interesting case for the possibility that Osbourne is either bluffing or inept.

Of course New Labour have the 'inept' monopoly tied up !


by the way Grif, how is your son doing ?

Bruce Wayne 8th Apr 2010 20:43


Out of curiosity, how many expats still vote?

I don't even know if it is still allowed...
https://www.aboutmyvote.co.uk/regist...r_to_vote.aspx

of course New Labour have done their utmost to f:mad:k the armed forces serving overseas about in their ability to vote..

but then they did that last time around..

once could be considered careless.. twice ... hmmm !

El Grifo 9th Apr 2010 10:10

Hi BW. Will pm !!

All Good :ok:

BlueWolf 9th Apr 2010 11:43

As luck and schedules would have it, I'm going to be in Pomgolia during the election. Thanks to an accident of birth (my Father's) I have citizenship; am I allowed to vote, and if so, how do I go about registering?

I'm thinking UKIP......:E

No, really, I am.

Roddenty 9th Apr 2010 12:30


Barring the 'hung parliament' scenario, you lot dorn sarf' have two choices:

Blue Tories or
Red Tories.
No, you have ıt wrong there - we have eıther:

Blue Labour or
Red Torıes.

(Same party really)

ukpilotinca 9th Apr 2010 19:50


Out of curiosity, how many expats still vote?

I don't even know if it is still allowed...
You can still vote if you haven't been out of the country more than 15 years. After that, you don't count.

Overseas Voters - About my vote, produced by The Electoral Commission

pulse1 9th Apr 2010 21:05

Improving efficiency
 
All this talk of cutting waste in government spending. I have just received the sixth, yes SIXTH, letter in a month from the Inland Revenue telling me my tax code for the current tax year.

Bruce Wayne 9th Apr 2010 22:10


Labour was blasted last night by one of its former ministers for spending £170million of taxpayers' money on aid to China, the world's third largest economy.

[...]

Latest figures from the World Bank show China's GDP was £2.8trillion in 2008 - eclipsed only by the U.S. (£9.3trillion) and Japan (£3.2trillion).

is this a f:mad:king wind up ?

good spark 9th Apr 2010 22:30

angry and p!ssed off gs



why is it that every time i switch the telly on at news time i find its been hijacked by some low voltage politician and turned into a party political broadcast?




angry and p!ssed gs

TURIN 9th Apr 2010 23:16

I see the Daily Mail has been busy here. :rolleyes:

Between those that have left, those threatening to and the UKIP/BNP/SNP apologists, are there any actual rational thinkers prepared to post anything constructive?

Some of us would really like to make an informed decision.

I had a visit from my MP a couple of elections back, ended up with us yelling at each other down the street, If Mrs Winterton would like to pop back for a chat I have a couple more things to say...... ....they claimed more than £80,000 in rent for a small London flat that was owned by a trust controlled by their children.



Ok, that's not very rational either but I wanted to get it off my chest. :sad:

Flap 5 10th Apr 2010 09:39


Originally Posted by TURIN (Post 5624874)
Ok, that's not very rational either but I wanted to get it off my chest. :sad:

It's more rational than a lot of stuff on jetblast. :hmm:

OFSO 10th Apr 2010 11:47

170 million to China ?

How much do we give to India each year, a country that has a larger scientific research budget than the United Kingdom and maintains an excellent space research organisation (ISRO) which the UK can't afford to do......

Ancient Observer 10th Apr 2010 12:31

It is much worse than that. The International Development Ministry (DfID) - which commits to spending 1% of our GDP - on foreign Governments and etc., and takes about 2p in every £ of tax paid, has offices in Russia. - as well as in China, and in the rich bits of India.
Why they need offices in Russia and China when East London and Liverpool are extremely deprived is beyond me.

I wonder how much of what they pay out is re-cycled to Switzerland in off-shore accounts?

Then, if you believe what out military say, DfID can't even install needed facilities in Afghanistan, and PREVENT the military from doing it.

Having said that., will any of the parties who stand a chance of being elected, stop this waste??

Who are these clowns? (er, other than a Big Airline's ex-Head of People, of course, as he is now DfID's head of People)

Bruce Wayne 10th Apr 2010 22:24

AO

the scams run by the CDC are even more eye opening !

Big Government Big Business Big Fraud



Private Eye tells us about the fraud, the collusion, the rip offs and the politicians who set up the contracts then walk away to join the firms they gave all of that money to. But it is only tax payers' money and there is plenty more where that came from. It is over £500 billion and rising every year. And Big Media keeps quiet about their little friends with Private Eye as the honorable exception - see page 30 of Number 1226 - and every issue for that matter.

Gertrude the Wombat 10th Apr 2010 22:48


Less paper through my door is what I want
Thing is, the paper through the door does actually work, or people wouldn't waste their time and money doing it.

And a fair amount of it is actually targetted. Not every piece of paper goes through every door. Candidates want to concentrate on the people who do actually vote and might actually vote for them.

If you have a track record of never voting, and you make a point of being really unpleasant to every canvasser who knocks on your door, you'll get the minimum amount of paper, just the stuff that goes to every household. If on the other hand you always vote and you tell all canvassers "oh, don't know, haven't made my mind up yet, I might vote for you" that pretty well guarantees maximum paper - you'll get targetted stuff from everybody as well.

The majority, of course, never tell any canvassers anything, because they're never ever at home, no matter how often their door is knocked on. They'll get an intermediate amount of paper. (Yes, really, about 60% of people are never ever at home.)

BlueWolf 11th Apr 2010 00:17

They must be at home some of the time, or it wouldn't be their home? :confused:

G-CPTN 11th Apr 2010 00:28

My next-door-but-one neighbour visits three times a year at most for never more than three days at a stretch. He runs a business many miles away and this house is to be his retirement home but he can't afford to retire yet. His son will run the business , but he's not ready to leave him to it.
My next door neighbour spends long periods in hospital (cancer treatment).

Only canvassers we get are JWs. The politicos push their leaflets through the letterbox and disappear as quickly as possible. I think you have to make an appointment if you want them to talk to you.

sitigeltfel 11th Apr 2010 06:12

If you have any doubt about how low Labour will stoop to garner votes, take a look at this...

Labour hit by cancer leaflet row - Times Online

If it is true, it is beyond sick. It begs the question, "where did they get the details?" Patient records are supposed to be confidential and this must be, at the very least, a gross violation of the Data Protection Act.

Patients already frightened by the disease, being targeted to try to gain a political point is beyond sick, it is cruelty at its worst.

TURIN 11th Apr 2010 10:05


Labour has sent out 250,000 “cancer” postcards, each addressed to an individual, asking: “Are the Tories a change you can afford?”

Many of those receiving the cards have undergone cancer scans or treatment within the past five years.
Well, statistically speaking, if you send out a quarter of a million leaflets a substantial number will hit people who ....


........have undergone cancer scans or treatment within the past five years.
Especially when you think how many have regular scans as a matter of course these days.


The Times being a 'quality' newspaper supports the Tories but I'm sure they have checked their facts on this story and there is no bias at all!:yuk:

Gertrude the Wombat 11th Apr 2010 10:22


Only canvassers we get are JWs. The politicos push their leaflets through the letterbox and disappear as quickly as possible. I think you have to make an appointment if you want them to talk to you.
Guess you live in a safe seat then.

The party for whom the seat is safe won't waste effort campaigning if they're going to win anyway, they'll send their workers to other seats. The other parties aren't going to waste effort campaigning if they're going to lose anyway, they'll send their workers to other seats.

The wonders of first-past-the-post - most votes don't count, so aren't worth fighting for.

G-CPTN 11th Apr 2010 11:31

Indeed, unchanged since 1924 . . . (though it did come within 222 in 1997)

Der absolute Hammer 11th Apr 2010 13:57

The Times being a 'quality' newspaper supports the Tories

That is not always so. In the last election there, both Times and Financial Times supported Labour.

Slasher 11th Apr 2010 14:56

The Times lost its credability forever when it backed
Nev Chamberlain in '40 with his "peace in our time" nonsence.

Storminnorm 11th Apr 2010 15:07

The average Times reader would vote for a pig if it
wore a blue ribbon.
Quite often they do.

G-CPTN 11th Apr 2010 16:02

For many years now, I have thought that the Liberals might make a better fist than either of the 'primary' parties, but the possibility of them actually gaining sufficient seats to form a government (with the current electoral system) continues to seem unlikely. Of course, locally, a Liberal MP might be beneficial, but the likelihood of that is pretty remote in my constituency, so a vote for the Liberals is more inclined to assist one of the two main parties to gain a majority over the other - so I am not prepared to risk it.

Hobo 11th Apr 2010 16:41

http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc245/hobo31/jp4.jpg

(Jack Perschke - PPC Derby South, and a posh git)

Gertrude the Wombat 11th Apr 2010 16:55


Of course, locally, a Liberal MP might be beneficial, but the likelihood of that is pretty remote in my constituency, so a vote for the Liberals is more inclined to assist one of the two main parties to gain a majority over the other - so I am not prepared to risk it.
It does take a lot of hard work over a long period.

What happened here was that a considerable while ago someone decided "ok, we can take this council", from a standing start of zero. He set about applying all the book techniques, and they worked, as in the book - his party gained on average one council seat per year, until at 24 seats they controlled the council. And five years later the council leader, having established his reputation locally, won the parliamentary seat.

Total time take to get from from zero councillors to winning the parliamentary seat: about twenty-five years.

G-CPTN 11th Apr 2010 17:59

During my time at Uni I shared rooms with a guy from Scotland. I got roped-in to help him with the election work he was doing for his local candidate - a chap by the name of Steel. Whatever happened to him?

ArthurR 11th Apr 2010 18:14

I'm sorry, but this is supposed to be a democracy, Europe that is, I as a British national, have no vote, I am not allowed to vote in German elections, although I pay the taxes, social, and what ever, I can not vote in the British elections as I have no address in the UK, yet others are allowed, why not me, Its not only myself by the way......why is that?

charliegolf 11th Apr 2010 18:31


The average Times reader would vote for a pig if it
wore a blue ribbon.
Quite often they do.
The average voter where I live would vote for Thatcher if she wore a red rosette.

glad rag 11th Apr 2010 18:59


If you have any doubt about how low Labour will stoop to garner votes, take a look at this...

Labour hit by cancer leaflet row - Times Online

If it is true, it is beyond sick. It begs the question, "where did they get the details?" Patient records are supposed to be confidential and this must be, at the very least, a gross violation of the Data Protection Act.

Patients already frightened by the disease, being targeted to try to gain a political point is beyond sick, it is cruelty at its worst.
Swines, absolute bloody swines.

How anybody can even contemplate supporting them after their record of deceit, lies and negligence is beyond me. :E:}:E



GR


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Bruce Wayne 11th Apr 2010 19:52


THE prime minister has blocked an attempt by David Cameron to make Sir Richard Dannatt, the former head of the army, a Tory peer.
Gordon Brown blocks peerage for army chief Sir Richard Dannatt - Times Online

typical of a petty, vindictive, childish a$$hole PM..


meanwhile.. Prescott, who has abhored peerages, titles and 'elitism' is on the peergae list.


In 2004 he railed against the blue-blooded aristocrats, telling a Labour party regional conference: “Now is the time to rid ourselves of the remaining rump of hereditaries in the Lords. They are an offence against democracy.”

In August 2008 he said he would not follow in the footsteps of other Labour grandees such as Neil Kinnock, Roy Hattersley and Denis Healey, saying it would mean he would be “sidelined”. He said: “I don’t want to be a member of the House of Lords. I will not accept it.” He said he was “against too much flunkery and titles”.

Gertrude the Wombat 11th Apr 2010 23:50


I as a British national, have no vote, I am not allowed to vote in German elections, although I pay the taxes, social, and what ever, I can not vote in the British elections as I have no address in the UK, yet others are allowed, why not me, Its not only myself by the way......why is that?
Dunno, never quite understood that.

EU nationals living in the UK:

(1) CAN vote in European elections - OK, I can see the sense in that (they're Europeans living in Europe)

(2) CANNOT vote in UK general elections - OK, I can see the sense in that (they're not UK citizens)

(3) CAN vote in UK local elections ... er ... why allow this but not (2)???

Davaar 11th Apr 2010 23:58

[QUOTE][Whatever happened to him?/QUOTE]

Try the House of Lords.

Ancient Observer 12th Apr 2010 00:02

On the Cancer postcards
 
As she who must be obeyed has had her 5 year remission scan - (last week), I take exception to this bit of Scottish Labour politics.

As I might be mentally deranged, due to my wife's cancer, and my obvious need for something-that-the-psychiatrist-can-invent-soon, can I please shoot the morality-free jerk that invented this mail-shot, and not spend too long in prison??

Bruce Wayne 12th Apr 2010 08:09

Democracy in the style of Robert Mugabe.
 

British soldiers serving in Afghanistan may not have their votes counted in the General Election, the Government has confessed.

Justice minister Michael Wills has admitted there is 'no guarantee' ballot papers filled out on the battlefield will reach the UK in time for 6 May.

Ministers have said they will try to overcome the massive problem of transporting postal votes to and from Helmand Province using military supply planes.


[...]

A poll on the unofficial military website, Army Rumour Service, found 57 per cent of troops said they would vote Conservative, with 7 per cent choosing Labour.
How anyone could even consider voting for Labour is beyond me.. vote ? a vote to destroy democracy..

A cup of steaming irony anyone ?

tony draper 12th Apr 2010 12:57

Something I mentioned earlier before all this election hysteria started,why are the parties being allowed free party political broadcast time on air on all the news channels,it must be obvious to eveyone by now, it is not news it is blatant party politicking,made the scum pay for spouting their lies.
:suspect:

Blacksheep 12th Apr 2010 15:35

Out canvassing last night, while we were gathered in the car park, wrapping up the proceedings, our blue rosettes caused one poor confused chap to mistake us for Tottenham supporters. "Would we look this cheerful if we were?" came the response.

I notice an oddity about the polls. They all add up to 100%. Now, if they only publish the opinions of those who say how they will vote, those polls are seriously skewed. "Use and Abuse of Statistics" tells one that a proper poll would include all the "don't knows" and "won't votes". On the doorstep, I'm finding about half of those canvassed fall into this category. (That's when one calls the MP over to chat with them.) Also, its mostly the younger folks - students and such - who say they're not interested and won't be voting. Its gonna be a grey election, in our constituency at least.

I suggest that those relying on the polls to wave their magic swingometers in our face should prepare themselves for a surprise result.

BTW, those watching BBC 2's Newsnight at 10.30 on Wednesday might just catch a glimpse of a certain white haired gentleman - if you're quick.

...and aye tony, we never paid a penny for the exposure. :ok:

G-CPTN 12th Apr 2010 15:59

Neighbour's garage has acquired an orange 'hazchem' diamond on the door . . .

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