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Saintsman 7th May 2009 18:36

Paedophile ring busted
 
BBC NEWS | Scotland | Edinburgh, East and Fife | Eight guilty in child abuse case

I still cannot understand how a ring gets set up in the first place. I would have thought that its not the sort of subject you raise in public. (I don't want to know BTW!).

Glad they've been caught.

airship 7th May 2009 19:09

Then why don't you simply say:

BBC NEWS | Scotland | Edinburgh, East and Fife | Eight guilty in child abuse case (delete...delete...delete...etc.)
Glad they've been caught.
No, I don't want to know why you don't want to know either, BTW! And please don't start threads on matters you've already decided should not be discussed publicly. :rolleyes: :confused:

Blues&twos 7th May 2009 19:10

I thought the thread title just sounded like a suggested punishment.

Roger Sofarover 7th May 2009 19:58

Now I have no problem whatsoever with rendition flights for these animals. They have been found guilty and they no longer deserve the right to belong to society. One day the other prisoners will get hold of these sickos, the sooner the better.

The only thing I am unhappy with concerning the BBC report is that the media have released details of where the police have identified targets. These people will be currently throwing their hard drives to the bottom of the ocean in a bid to ensure Crown Prosecution have no case.:hmm: Perhaps not a wise move on the medias part.

airship 7th May 2009 19:58

But I was just being paedantic... ;) :uhoh:

glad rag 7th May 2009 20:05

Hmmairbostbestthesethreadsareleftalonetodiebythemselvesquiet lyhhuyodigbro??:8

Cheerio 7th May 2009 20:08

Well last time I was swimming all the kids seemed to be avoiding going near me. I realised why when I was told the 'S' had fallen off my trunks..... :}

PT6ER 8th May 2009 00:12

Let the lot of 'em rot in jail.

Their "ring" will be truely busted....again and again and.....

hellsbrink 8th May 2009 06:33

Roger
 

The only thing I am unhappy with concerning the BBC report is that the media have released details of where the police have identified targets. These people will be currently throwing their hard drives to the bottom of the ocean in a bid to ensure Crown Prosecution have no case. Perhaps not a wise move on the medias part.
I don't see an issue as the rozzers will have all the evidence needed from the hard disks of those who have been caught and arrested as well as data gleaned from the ISP's regarding sites visited, etc. After all, if "Paedo A" sends "Paedos B/C/D/E/F" a load of pictures and videos, followed by "Paedo K" having info showing the others have sent him stuff then there's the evidence.

Ditching/erasing a hard disk won't do them any good at all

sisemen 8th May 2009 09:10

With all the publicity over recent years about various rings being busted and the evidence which can be gleaned from a computer I'm surprised that it still goes on.

If anyone sent me any stuff my head would be saying "flee, flee as fast as you can", let alone search for the stuff. :ugh:

hellsbrink 8th May 2009 09:27

Siseman, I remember seeing something on TV about it and the actual amount of "traces" found regarding all that stuff beggars belief. It is virtually impossible for the authorities to keep up, and that was just in the USA! Now, when you extrapolate that to cover the rest of the world you can see how big a problem it is, especially as these are just the known cases. Also, it can be very hard to actually start tracking people in the first case because so much of the traffic is encrypted, goes through private servers, etc. Like in this latest UK case, what normally triggers the arrests, etc, are images found on computers being sent in for repair. That leads to someone else, which leads to someone else, etc, etc.

In reality, the authorities have to be pretty lucky to get someone at the start of tracing a "ring", but once they do get one person they can find it easy to trace others. But it's the resources, or lack of, that is a problem when you think of catching these :mad:

capewrath 8th May 2009 09:50

I think a lot of these pervs get caught by using their credit cards to buy filth from websites that are monitored by police.

These paedo cases appear in the press often and it always astounds me that it's never just a few images found on pc's, but usually tens and hundreds of thousands of pics.
Some seriously sick people about.

racedo 8th May 2009 10:38

As a Met Cop who dealt with it said to a Journalist looking for a new angle on the story said
"Its not a subject I will be discussing, its not something I wish to talk about nor discuss, nor will I allow you ask any question of me or my staff, when you have seen some of the stuff I have you understand why alcohol is abused by us, when you have some of the stuff you understand why grown men with years of tough policing can sit in a car and weep after what they have seen, now f**k off and go away as we get our heads screwed enough by what we have seen. It not a story."

Perhaps we should bear this in mind and let this thread die please.

Roger Sofarover 8th May 2009 11:39

racedo

I can confirm the story you have written in terms of how the police consider this subject. I along with a group of RAF Officers did an exchange with the metropolitan police, it was great fun, but one of the areas we went to was an office where investigations of this nature take place. Behind the securely locked doors a couple of coppers had to sit and catalogue every video second by second and make a written record of exactly what was happening to the children concerned at every moment. The escorting officer said we were welcome to observe the work these policemen were doing, but that was issued with a stern warning about our psychological well being. He went further to explain that most of the officers on this particular duty can only stomach 6 months maximum because of the trauma of what they witness, he went on to describe what they were currently investigating and what the beast concerned was doing to the kids. Not one of us could summon up the courage to bear witness even for a second, we all requested the door remain firmly locked and moved quickly on to a more 'normal' side of policing.. The police apparently (and understandably) suffer terrible emotional scars.

edited to add. The animal that was being investigated above was banged up for life, but I read four years later that he had been mysteriously, brutally murdered by unknown prisoners whilst in jail. Don't you just take your hat off to the old school thugs and gangsters in jail.

Roger Sofarover 8th May 2009 11:57

hellsbrink


I don't see an issue as the rozzers will have all the evidence needed from the hard disks of those who have been caught and arrested as well as data gleaned from the ISP's regarding sites visited, etc. After all, if "Paedo A" sends "Paedos B/C/D/E/F" a load of pictures and videos, followed by "Paedo K" having info showing the others have sent him stuff then there's the evidence.

Ditching/erasing a hard disk won't do them any good at all


Also, it can be very hard to actually start tracking people in the first case because so much of the traffic is encrypted, goes through private servers, etc. Like in this latest UK case, what normally triggers the arrests, etc, are images found on computers being sent in for repair. That leads to someone else, which leads to someone else, etc, etc.
:confused::confused::confused:

I still think you need them hard disks me old. You cannot be jailed because somebody sent you something. It could be a wrong address, it could be somebody trying to stitch you up. The police would need hard (disk) evidence that you stored such material. Sio I just think it counter productive for the media to publish details of where the police are about to strike. Forewarned is forearmed. By all means paint them all over the media once they have been caught.

Capt.KAOS 8th May 2009 12:08


edited to add. The animal that was being investigated above was banged up for life, but I read four years later that he had been mysteriously, brutally murdered by unknown prisoners whilst in jail. Don't you just take your hat off to the old school thugs and gangsters in jail.
I sincerely hope Bubba will take care of these monsters as soon as they arrive in their cell...

hellsbrink 8th May 2009 12:23

Again, Roger, they will have IP traces, packet details, etc. Every move you make on the internet can be monitored nowadays, especially as ISP's have to keep details. So it easier to actually gather the evidence without the need of the actual hard disk/computer due to the various detection methods they can use (including credit card trails as noted by someone else) and don't forget emails, IM contacts, etc on the computer(s) seized initially. So, once they get one pervert then they can examine everything to get details of other contacts worldwide. You can be sure that those they have "announced" are only the tip of the iceberg. Also, it only takes one pervert to squeal when he gets reminded of what happens to his kind in prison.

Now, the reasons for the second part you quoted are nicely taken out of context (nothing unusual here) as I was pointing out how they need to get a sniff of something before they can start all their traces, etc. I was also pointing out how this was a much larger problem than people realise, as had been explained on several investigations shown on TV. The sheer volume of this kind of traffic, as well as the more sophisticated methods used by these scumbags to get their jollies, makes it more difficult to get started on a trail, unless they get a bit lucky and the paedo takes his computer down to PC World for repair (when all the pics are discovered, which starts off the trails, etc). After all, it wasn't all that long ago when the police had a humungous list of credit card numbers used to access some of these sites but admitted they had no hope of investigating them all because of the lack of resources.

So although the cops can gather the evidence relatively easily once they get someone (normally down to stupidity like taking a computer in for repair, think higher profile cases like Gary Glitter and Johnathan King), getting a start on gathering that evidence is not so easy unless they know exactly where to look first. Now surely you can see exactly what I am saying, I do hope I don't have to draw you a picture because I was no good at art in school.

Roger Sofarover 8th May 2009 12:43

hellsbrink

Of course I understand and thank you for your comprehensive reply. I am sorry I was not meaning to be obtuse I just wasn't sure which angle you were driving at in terms of evidential requirements. Have a good weekend:ok:

hellsbrink 8th May 2009 12:49

Oh the weekend has started already, have some nice Sauvignon busy chilling in the fridge and I feel a beer or 6 coming on.

Have fun


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