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candoo 28th Sep 2007 09:01

Will I Lose My Driving Licence Today?
 
Firstly I'll admit it I am a smoker.

Have a three hour drive ahead of me and smoking is about the only thing that keeps me sane on today's congested roads, I also notice during my early morning commute round the North Circular that well over 50% of drivers at rush hour time also appear to puff away behind the wheel.

Very confusing reports in the news this morning saying that from today I could receive 3 points for being caught whilst smoking, is this for real or is it if you smoke and the plod deem your smoking to cause you to drive poorly they will nab you?

I can't help but think of the poor police, they cannot even enforcce the no mobile phone law and now this. There are many other more distracting things you see people do whilst driving.

This smacks of another nanny state measure poorly thought out and virtually unenforceable, I am convinced now that cars will be banned sometime in the near future as being too dangerous.

Please don't just say give up it is not that easy I have tried and tried and tried and will try again but now the rebellious streak in me is taking over with all these draconian anti-smoking laws I will not conform.

UniFoxOs 28th Sep 2007 09:08

no - you'll be all right as long as you don't drink, don't exceed the speed limit or carry children

UFO

Krystal n chips 28th Sep 2007 09:29

Have you got a link to this news item please ?

candoo 28th Sep 2007 09:37

Been toned down a bit since first thing but the principle is the same!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7017543.stm

Krystal n chips 28th Sep 2007 09:55

Thansk for that.....the way I interpret this is that if, the Police feel you are driving without due care etc, then you could be pulled over....otherwise....life carries on as before. True, this does offer some of the more zealous Officers another opportunity I suppose....that said, 99.99% of them have got more sense and better things to do than stop all and sundry for smoking whilst driving.....at least, I would hope so.

It would though,have been nice to see the :mad:woman in her 4x4 on the M56 a couple of weeks ago get done....her cigarettes must have been located somewhere below the gear stick....so she simply bent over and searched for them.....and the vehicle just drifted across a couple of lanes until "madam" found them ! :ugh:

Curious Pax 28th Sep 2007 09:55

Big deal - they're just harmonising the rules so that mobile phone users don't feel singled out!

candoo 28th Sep 2007 10:32

Yeah as I said first thing this morning the headlines were "3 points on your licence from today if caught smokng whilst driving" more of the Great British press sensationalistic headlines.

Although it does highlight that we are trying to legislate for offences that used to be dealt with by common sense. It becomes confusing and creates grey areas not least of all for the poor police. It also demonstrates that the government feel we cannot be trusted to do anything without their say so but they are not sure of what we can or cannot do - vis a vis Straw reviewing self-defence law, surely not to win votes :rolleyes:

west lakes 28th Sep 2007 10:39

As with anything in regard to the media, go to the source

From the introduction to the highway code


Many of the rules in the Code are legal requirements, and if you disobey these rules you are committing a criminal offence. You may be fined, given penalty points on your licence or be disqualified from driving. In the most serious cases you may be sent to prison. Such rules are identified by the use of the words ‘MUST/MUST NOT’. In addition, the rule includes an abbreviated reference to the legislation which creates the offence. An explanation of the abbreviations can be found in 'The road user and the law'.
Although failure to comply with the other rules of the Code will not, in itself, cause a person to be prosecuted, The Highway Code may be used in evidence in any court proceedings under the Traffic Acts (see 'The road user and the law') to establish liability. This includes rules which use advisory wording such as ‘should/should not’ or ‘do/do not’.
The actual section


148
Safe driving and riding needs concentration.
Avoid distractions when driving or riding such as
· loud music (this may mask other sounds)
· trying to read maps
· inserting a cassette or CD or tuning a radio
· arguing with your passengers or other road users
· eating and drinking
· smoking
My understanding is that unless you do something stupid whilst doing the above there should be no problem.

sprocket 28th Sep 2007 11:21

I got into trouble for smoking my tyres many years ago. :hmm:

OpsNormal 28th Sep 2007 11:53

We tolya nor to roll 'im up wit da ganga mun.....:E

Apart from that, we thought it was just the Hilux's exhaust there sprocket.... Now that you're a flatlander.

Oh, What A Feeling! (cough).

airship 28th Sep 2007 12:04

Jim Fitzpatrick (Road Safety Minister) told BBC News:

"What it says is that drivers should remember they have to concentrate and they shouldn't be distracted either by passengers, by loud music, by reading a map, or using a mobile phone or by smoking...
...If you're lighting up with one hand and have a fag in the other hand then obviously you've not got any hands on the wheel."
(My own high-lighting).
As any [email protected] would know, it only takes just one hand (and a mouth) to light up*. Pay attention here Jim! A little more concentration on your part when interviewed by the press may not go very far in preventing road accidents but... :p
* Unless he was thinking of marijuana smokers using those chillum pipes. You would need 2 hands when lighting up then I guess... :\

frostbite 28th Sep 2007 12:09

"If you're lighting up with one hand and have a fag in the other hand then obviously you've not got any hands on the wheel."


Eh? How does that work then? Thought the fag had to be in your mouth.

Must have been doing it wrong for 50 years. But don't smoke in the car anyway.

Devlin Carnet 28th Sep 2007 12:10

Sprocket,
Bet they were a bugger to light.

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaargh! 28th Sep 2007 12:28


148
Safe driving and riding needs concentration.
Avoid distractions when driving or riding such as
· loud music (this may mask other sounds)
· trying to read maps
· prooning
· inserting a cassette or CD or tuning a radio
· arguing with your passengers or other road users
· eating and drinking
· smoking
secret characters


west lakes 28th Sep 2007 12:31

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaargh!


Sssshhh don't give em more ideas.:=

er340790 28th Sep 2007 13:09

Was following a woman along the motorway last week. She was so busy lighting her cigarette, she was all over the road.

ALMOST MADE ME DROP MY :mad: SHAVER INTO MY :mad: CORNFLAKES..........!

FlyerFoto 28th Sep 2007 13:13

Can say what you like about people on the phone while driving - unlike smokers they don't usually throw a burning phone out of the window when they've finished!!! :ooh:

VFE 28th Sep 2007 13:47

My mate got fined £60 for throwing his rollie dog-end out the car window a coupla years ago. Litter offence apparently.

Basically, my understanding is that smoking singles you out as some kind of trouble maker these days and liable for the blame of all societies woes...

VFE.

pulse1 28th Sep 2007 14:12

The way I understood one news report was that, if you have an accident while smoking and driving, you are more likely to be charged with not being in control of the vehicle. Much easier to prove then.

419 28th Sep 2007 15:33

Speaking of which, I've always wondered what happens if you are involved in an accident whilst driving and smoking, and you get an airbag in your face.

A ciggie would be bad enough, but imagine what would happen to your teeth if you were smoking a pipe. :uhoh:


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