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Hazard lights......An excuse for ignorance?

Old 2nd Aug 2003, 01:43
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So do millions of people in this country. That's why they've entirely lost the ability to accelerate briskly on the slip road to match the speed of the traffic. While we're at it, it might be the gentlemanly thing to move into the unoccupied middle or fast lane, but only if they are unoccupied. It makes no difference to these morons - they're coming out anyway.
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Old 2nd Aug 2003, 02:41
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As traffic increases inexorably and driving standards decrease in sympathy, I am becoming convinced that we should have a system of revalidation to retain driving priveleges. And 4X4/SUV's should require an additional rating on your licence!

If you had to spend an hour with an instructor every five years, or even a test every five years, we could weed out some of the people who seem to have lost their second brain cell since getting their licence.

We also need to place less emphasis on speeding and more on bad driving.
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Old 2nd Aug 2003, 03:17
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Rats, I'm with you. Although, if I can expand on the 4X4/SUV side of things, if you're a Soccer Mum who only drives her tank of a vehicle on the school run, you should have to pay a toll for every mile driven.

And there should be Parking Wardens out the front of schools who can issue tickets using photographic proof of being parked illegally (with the good old hazard lights flashing away!), and make them pay double the penalty.

Ahhhhh, that's better!
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Old 2nd Aug 2003, 03:37
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You want it when? Ė ďI work the other way and don't let buses out.Ē Could you explain your thinking behind this?

Iím puzzled by the concept that motorway inside lane drivers can totally, and rightfully, prevent drivers from joining the motorway. Exactly what is the benefit to you of stopping them from joining? If you stall them completely they only have one option left and that is to join the moving traffic from a standing start. Does that make any sense? Chill out and let them out! I usually leave long gaps for this very purpose. Life can be so much sweeter when youíre not a selfish git.

My recipe for survival in the crowded SE of England: Donít drive too Fast (for the situation). Donít drive too Sleepy (get enough sleep). Donít drive too Careless (you know what I mean). Donít drive too Close. Give that testosterone a break boys! Keep it for the bedroom.
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Old 2nd Aug 2003, 06:01
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Rats, I'm with you man. Great idea
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Old 2nd Aug 2003, 15:55
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OT I'm with Rats & Jerricho on SUVs. Furthermore, does te addition of a load of scaffold pipe, AKA "roo bars", require a supplemental type certificate.
Seriously, is this a modification to the vehicle which should be informed to the insurers? The manufacturer spends mega bucks to develop a vehicle that meets safety standards then the mum in the street re-equips it to ram-raider status or something capable of taking Baghdad single handed. If this was an illegal mod then the insurance is invalid. Someone pushes a pram, AKA "traffic density meter", out in front: bye bye baby good-bye. No damage to the SUV though, but the subsequent insurance wrangling would be interesting.

BTW, as the courts don't/won't punish the offenders, maybe extending the community service to include a period working as a crash test dummy might be envisioned?

Rant over

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Old 3rd Aug 2003, 00:59
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Actually Lon, I was under the impression that the addition of a "Roo-bar", "Nudge-bar" or "Bulldozer" is something that insurance companies need to know (something about cosmetic additons or something like that).. And you're right, I would hate to be involved in a claim situation with one of these things!

I do remember a few years ago there was talk in Brisbane of some regulations against bull-bars (or whatever you wish to call them) in the city area, but it kinda died a death. I thought it was a great idea!
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Old 4th Aug 2003, 13:17
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Slightly off point, or perhaps not, but I recently observed another use of hazard lights I found to be quite annoying.

Returning from Perisher (a snow ski resort in NSW, Australia - yes we have ski fields, and they are better than those in the UK) to Jindabyne (the nearest town) in a snow storm. Visibility was not great but was OK (no need for fog lights, for example, as normal tail/brake lights were easily visible), and the traffic was travelling quite slowly and sensibly. The conditions were, to use my wife's terms, no worse than typically experienced in winter in her home town in Scotland and are o different to those regularily experienced in Canada.

A number of drivers thought these conditions is was an opportunity to put their hazard lights on - for over 30 kilometres (which was about 1.5 hrs, given the slow speed of the traffic). It was mildly frustrating to follow a turkey in Honda CRV (a sort of AWD, so better than people in 2wd vehicles with chains fitted) with his/her hazard lights flashing for no purpose. The CRV wasn't the only vehicle doing this - about 1 in 25 vehicles was doing this (yes, visibility was good enough to see that far ahead).

I can appreciate most drivers in Australia haven't spent much time driving in alpine areas and so find those conditions a little intimidating. BUT the use of hazard lights doesn't address any risk and is bloody annoying.

On reflection, the hazard lights might be a useful tool - they might say "Hey, look out, I am an idiot". Which the double parkers Jericho orignally referred to would seem to be.

Carmanship should be the same as airmanship. I hope the decline in skills and courtesy evident on the roads will not, in time, be repeated in the air, although there are many signs that it is is.

Rant finished.
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Old 5th Aug 2003, 19:49
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Traffic circles

In Kigali, Rwanda the rule seems to be that the drivers entering a traffic circle have right of way. This leads to a completely clogged junction around 2.37 seconds after the start of rush hour each day and no one has yet figured it out.

Local rules in Bujumbura seem to favour traffic entering from the East and West while traffic going North and South have to give way. As a newcomer to the area one can be on the recieving end of a lot of dirty looks and abuse.

We won't even go into the chaos in Paris......
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Old 5th Aug 2003, 20:05
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One day I will convince my girlfriend that pulling out the choke does not make the car go faster!
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Old 5th Aug 2003, 20:20
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Post From the Highway Code......

Hazard warning lights. These may be used when your vehicle is stationary, to warn that it is temporarily obstructing traffic. Never use them as an excuse for dangerous or illegal parking. You MUST NOT use hazard warning lights whilst driving unless you are on a motorway or unrestricted dual carriageway and you need to warn drivers behind you of a hazard or obstruction ahead. Only use them for long enough to ensure that your warning has been observed.

Steamchicken, what you and your girlfriend get up to, in the privacy of your car, is not for us to pry!
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Old 6th Aug 2003, 02:27
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So if hazard lights make you invulnerable, what does putting on the front fog lights do?

(I'm guessing its NOT to make you go faster )
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Old 6th Aug 2003, 05:54
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HighandTight, that's an easy question!

Fog lights are to be switched on when you want to say "Hey, look at my car, isn't it hot!!".

I live in Newcastle (Australia, thankfully) and there is a real hoon car culture amongst the young'uns, particularily those from non-coastal regions of the Hunter Valley (locally called "westies") and, you guessed it, they have heavily modified vehicles (or, in most cases, stock standard cars under heavily modified bodies - there are many Evo V bodies with huge wheels displaying tiny rear drum brakes and those pathetic Hyundai Excels dressed up in fiberglass) and most drive around with fog lights on. Fog is not a significant problem at 4pm on a sunny Sunday afternoon. Needless to say, the cops have a field day issuing infringement notices, measuring wheel widths and suspensions heights, etc etc.
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