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Old 8th Jun 2022, 13:04
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EU to enforce use of USB C connection for chargers

A few months back I wrote about new regulations forbidding non-replaceable rechargeable lithium batteries in phones etc and here is further legislation in the same vein. From autumn 2024 small/medium devices ( includes tablets and cameras) will have to use the USB-C connection for charging, and consumers will have to have the choice of buying the product without a charger. The same requirements will apply to laptops from 2026. The change for the small devices will save consumers E350 million per year as well as 10 000 tonnes of electrical scrap ( EU figures ).

Another good move, although it has been hung up in debate for more than 10 years ( first discussed in 2009)
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Old 8th Jun 2022, 13:40
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Originally Posted by Tartiflette Fan View Post
A few months back I wrote about new regulations forbidding non-replaceable rechargeable lithium batteries in phones etc and here is further legislation in the same vein. From autumn 2024 small/medium devices ( includes tablets and cameras) will have to use the USB-C connection for charging, and consumers will have to have the choice of buying the product without a charger. The same requirements will apply to laptops from 2026. The change for the small devices will save consumers E350 million per year as well as 10 000 tonnes of electrical scrap ( EU figures ).

Another good move, although it has been hung up in debate for more than 10 years ( first discussed in 2009)
Hopefully the UK will cut and paste this piece of legislation into UK law as it is entirely sensible and long overdue. I fear however that on the basis that it is an EU law the UK will, for purely dogmatic reasons, refuse to do so.
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Old 8th Jun 2022, 13:47
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Considering the size of the eu market (as compared to the U.K. market) the manufacturers wouldn’t care if the U.K. would enforce it or not. They’ll just do it for all appliances that require a charging cable to save on cost of design and duplication.
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Old 8th Jun 2022, 13:54
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Considering the size of the eu market (as compared to the U.K. market) the manufacturers wouldn’t care if the U.K. would enforce it or not. They’ll just do it for all appliances that require a charging cable to save on cost of design and duplication.
Or manufacturers will supply the UK with products designed and packaged for the US and Asian markets. There must be some commercial benefit to having so many different connectors, and the industry hasn't exactly hurried to rectify what is a ludicrous situation.
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There must be some commercial benefit to having so many different connectors, and the industry hasn't exactly hurried to rectify what is a ludicrous situation.
Taking Apple as an example, they must make a fortune from using their own design of cable, especially as it allows them to design their software to not fully function with OEM cables. I expect most manufacturers are the same.
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Old 8th Jun 2022, 15:33
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Bought various longer type B charging cables for my last Samsung phone, just bought a new phone, it has type C ports. Doh! They are better though and I have acquired some type B to C converters so the old cables can be used. Charger cable supplied with the phone is uselessly short.
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Old 8th Jun 2022, 15:45
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BBC reporting that the UK government has said it has no plans to adopt the EU rule, apparently in some way it will thwart innovation!

Another example of how political dogma is put ahead of working for the benefit of the public. Adoption of it would also have environmental benefits, and this government is supposed to have a 'green agenda'.

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Pros and cons.... It would not surprise me if we will see an increase in accidents involving cheap laptop chargers in due course. But that may just be my pessimistic nature
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I agree with the principle, I don't understand how these figures were arrived at:

The change for the small devices will save consumers E350 million per year as well as 10 000 tonnes of electrical scrap ( EU figures ).
An iPhone comes with a charging cable, a Samsung comes with a charging cable, how does specifying that the cable ends in a USB C plug create the huge saving to consumers?

Here's the logic:

In 2020, approximately 420 million mobile phones and other portable electronic devices were sold in the EU. However, due to incompatible chargers on the market more than a third of consumers report having experiencing problems, while spending approximately €2.4 billion annually on additional standalone chargers. At the same time, disposed of and unused chargers contribute to around 11,000 tonnes of e-waste every year.
I still don't understand how people who buy an iPhone, that comes with a charger, end up with an incompatible charger. Ah yes, of course, they used to have a Samsung so their old charger is incompatible. Err but they didn't buy an additional charger, it came with the iPhone. Sorry but using "savings to the consumer" doesn't make sense. Setting a common standard to reduce manufacturing costs makes sense. Will that saving be passed on to the commuter? On a cold day in Hell maybe.

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Originally Posted by LowNSlow View Post
I agree with the principle, I don't understand how these figures were arrived at:



An iPhone comes with a charging cable, a Samsung comes with a charging cable, how does specifying that the cable ends in a USB C plug create the huge saving to consumers?
In theory, you don't need as many chargers as they can be used on multiple devices. That assumes that there is a standard voltage of course.

In reality, manufactures will not be reducing prices accordingly and consumers will end up paying more...
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Old 8th Jun 2022, 16:27
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I (and my wife) each have an iPhone. Lightning charging cable. We also have fairly new iPads. USB C charging cable. We have the damn things in various lengths dotted all over our house. Long ones on arms of setee. Long ones on my and her desks (for when WFH). A grab bag of bits for when we have nights away. And with changes, damage and wearing out, (not to mention the annoying changes from one plug to another on increasingly up to date equipment) I always seem to be buying new cables of varying lengths. All our chargers have USB A outputs. New Apple ones have USB C outputs, which is 2 out of about 10.

Did I mention the directive I just got at work that all chargers for i-devices must be PAT tested ? Due to a spate of fires, and probably (if they are from Amazon/China) condemned and replaced at the owners expense by Apple OEM equipment.
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Originally Posted by Curious Pax View Post
Taking Apple as an example, they must make a fortune from using their own design of cable, especially as it allows them to design their software to not fully function with OEM cables. I expect most manufacturers are the same.
No, only Apple. They have been fighting the EU over this for years.
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Old 8th Jun 2022, 16:37
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In a year or two the idea of ANY cable will be quaint. The new expansion at DCA has wireless charging built into all the hi-top tables and many chair armrests around the gate areas.
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Good. Get on with it.
My new-ish ipad has C, so why can't apple put them in the dog n bone?
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Old 8th Jun 2022, 17:49
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Two sides to this, standardization is fine but USB-C evolved from previous USB's which were supposed to be the answer when introduced. Now we have USB-C, which can be plugged in without worrying about which way up, who's to say what could evolve unrestricted by legislation? New devices may need something smaller. Personally I have magnetic adapters on all my stuff, so don't use USB's and have the same connection for everything, one cable fits all.
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Old 8th Jun 2022, 18:03
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Originally Posted by ATNotts View Post
BBC reporting that the UK government has said it has no plans to adopt the EU rule, apparently in some way it will thwart innovation!

Another example of how political dogma is put ahead of working for the benefit of the public. Adoption of it would also have environmental benefits, and this government is supposed to have a 'green agenda'.

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Pesky EU beaurocrats. I do hope Jacob Reese Moog will be looking to encourage manufacturers to produce a USB cable sized to Imperial measure. Confusing though, cable is a measure of distance too...
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Old 8th Jun 2022, 18:50
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Originally Posted by Dave Gittins View Post
I (and my wife) each have an iPhone. Lightning charging cable. We also have fairly new iPads. USB C charging cable. We have the damn things in various lengths dotted all over our house. Long ones on arms of setee. Long ones on my and her desks (for when WFH). A grab bag of bits for when we have nights away. And with changes, damage and wearing out, (not to mention the annoying changes from one plug to another on increasingly up to date equipment) I always seem to be buying new cables of varying lengths. All our chargers have USB A outputs. New Apple ones have USB C outputs, which is 2 out of about 10.

Did I mention the directive I just got at work that all chargers for i-devices must be PAT tested ? Due to a spate of fires, and probably (if they are from Amazon/China) condemned and replaced at the owners expense by Apple OEM equipment.
Can completely relate to this--it seems every device (iPhone, iPad, work Samsung phone, work laptop, personal laptop, Kindle, Apple Watch, noise-cancelling headphones, etc., all of varying vintages) has a different plug/charger/adapter.

Ironically, the Amazon 'store brand' cables seem to last better than the OEM ones. No idea if they would pass PAT or any other test, but they haven't burned my house down... yet.
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Old 8th Jun 2022, 18:53
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Originally Posted by ATNotts View Post
Hopefully the UK will cut and paste this piece of legislation into UK law as it is entirely sensible and long overdue. I fear however that on the basis that it is an EU law the UK will, for purely dogmatic reasons, refuse to do so.
I don't think they have a choice. Who want's to produce something that can't be sold in the EU?
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Old 8th Jun 2022, 21:08
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Originally Posted by LowNSlow View Post
I agree with the principle, I don't understand how these figures were arrived at:



An iPhone comes with a charging cable, a Samsung comes with a charging cable, how does specifying that the cable ends in a USB C plug create the huge saving to consumers?

Here's the logic:



I still don't understand how people who buy an iPhone, that comes with a charger, end up with an incompatible charger. Ah yes, of course, they used to have a Samsung so their old charger is incompatible. Err but they didn't buy an additional charger, it came with the iPhone. Sorry but using "savings to the consumer" doesn't make sense. Setting a common standard to reduce manufacturing costs makes sense. Will that saving be passed on to the commuter? On a cold day in Hell maybe.
Well, iPhones do not come with chargers anymore. Just a USB-C to lightning cable.

Considering that Apple moved to USB-C for everything except the iPhone, the cheapest iPad and the airpods, i do not see the big issue for that company to begin with. Quite honestly, i am kinda fed up with having one charger and one charging cable that works with all three of my iPads (company iPad Pro, private iPad Mini and iPad Air) and having to carry an extra cable (if not charger) for my iPhone.
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Old 8th Jun 2022, 21:40
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I don't think they have a choice. Who want's to produce something that can't be sold in the EU?
There may be a newer, better, faster, connector in a year or so, so we'd be able to offer it here while it wouldn't be allowed in the UK, unless they fitter both connectors, until the EU changed the law. Considering how long the EU takes to make decisions that could be another decade.
Correct choice by the government. Almost certainly manufacturers will follow this law in the UK because it will just be easier but if some exceptional case comes up they'd be able to make and sell a product that didn't meet it.
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