Russian Aircraft in Turkey
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Russian Aircraft in Turkey
Just had a look at FR24 as i have family on holiday in Antalya, they say the place is full of Russians which i was surprised at in the current climate.
And sure enough there is a B777 200 on finals of Pegas Fly which is one of the seemingly stolen aircraft formerly on a VQ registration (VQ BUD) and now RA73272.
Question, why are they not being impounded in Turkey a NATO country as they are outside Russia?.
And sure enough there is a B777 200 on finals of Pegas Fly which is one of the seemingly stolen aircraft formerly on a VQ registration (VQ BUD) and now RA73272.
Question, why are they not being impounded in Turkey a NATO country as they are outside Russia?.
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Just had a look at FR24 as i have family on holiday in Antalya, they say the place is full of Russians which i was surprised at in the current climate.
And sure enough there is a B777 200 on finals of Pegas Fly which is one of the seemingly stolen aircraft formerly on a VQ registration (VQ BUD) and now RA73272.
Question, why are they not being impounded in Turkey a NATO country as they are outside Russia?.
And sure enough there is a B777 200 on finals of Pegas Fly which is one of the seemingly stolen aircraft formerly on a VQ registration (VQ BUD) and now RA73272.
Question, why are they not being impounded in Turkey a NATO country as they are outside Russia?.
NATO is a military treaty. Means nothing for sanctions.
Turkey have wanted EU membership for a while though. I don’t know enough of the backstory to know whether this behaviour promotes or negates their prospects.
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EU could and maybe should cancel or at least restrain the EU-Turkey free trade agreement (whatever the exact term is) hence pulling away a big pylon of the Turkish economy. And the US finally removing Turkey's industrial participation on the F-35 program.
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Second largest standing military in NATO, controls the Bosphorus strait, and perhaps the only thing that is holding millions of refugees from flooding Europe.
Erdogan is using this to Turkeys' advantage. Don't come to the bazaar if you don't know how to haggle.
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I thought NATO had a military base there at Incurlik.
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Given statements about European Union member leaders that R. Erdoğan has made since at least 2015, we can safely say that Turkish membership in the European Union is a no-go, if it ever had potential. When there is new leadership in Turkey, that could change. But I wouldn't bet anything substantial on it. As for Russia leased aircraft in Turkey? I doubt Russia is allowing anything to fly there that isn't well protected, either through aircraft ownership or ensuring safe passage through the Turkish government. I wouldn't be surprised at all if Mr. Putin has unrevealed leverage over Erdoğan, but that's just speculation based on actions. Turkish airlines have been busy hauling horrified Russian citizens bailing out of their home county while they can, as Russia continues to slowly lose its population. That's a good thing for achieving long term peace.
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You think NATO would give up Turkish membership, including the control and access to Black Sea, plus Incirlik Air Base? Not a chance NATO would weaken itself by doing that! Even with Turkey's current interesting leader, its military is second in size within NATO only to United States and is located in a a critical geographic location, especially with increased Russian activities in Syria, due to Russia's backing of the sadistic dictator there.
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According to Turkey, there are 24 NATO bases in Turkey or there were in 2013.
https://www.turkishnews.com/en/conte...ses-in-turkey/
The definition of NATO base may be a bit loose but I presume it means a foreign base on their soil which has been declared/committed to NATO.
https://www.turkishnews.com/en/conte...ses-in-turkey/
The definition of NATO base may be a bit loose but I presume it means a foreign base on their soil which has been declared/committed to NATO.
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Must be true, the Band is marching in https://www.incirlik.af.mil/News/Art...-to-nato-ally/
Ooh, btw. we cannot confirm nor deny the about 20 B61 nukes at Inci.
Ooh, btw. we cannot confirm nor deny the about 20 B61 nukes at Inci.
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Must be true, the Band is marching in https://www.incirlik.af.mil/News/Art...-to-nato-ally/
Ooh, btw. we cannot confirm nor deny the about 20 B61 nukes at Inci.
Ooh, btw. we cannot confirm nor deny the about 20 B61 nukes at Inci.
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Just had a look at FR24 as i have family on holiday in Antalya, they say the place is full of Russians which i was surprised at in the current climate.
And sure enough there is a B777 200 on finals of Pegas Fly which is one of the seemingly stolen aircraft formerly on a VQ registration (VQ BUD) and now RA73272.
Question, why are they not being impounded in Turkey a NATO country as they are outside Russia?.
And sure enough there is a B777 200 on finals of Pegas Fly which is one of the seemingly stolen aircraft formerly on a VQ registration (VQ BUD) and now RA73272.
Question, why are they not being impounded in Turkey a NATO country as they are outside Russia?.
There are many Russian owned superyacht's anchored there too. They know they are safe from western sanctions/seizures at the moment.
May be some very wealthy Turkish politicians in the future?
Just a guess.
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There are stories about Turkish Airlines offering great one way fares to IST for people who wanted to immigrate to the social welfare paradise of Europe and then turning a blind eye as these people boarded boats to illegally land in EU territory. EU pays billions to Turkey to keep some refugees in its soil - plenty of them due to its operation in Syria.
So Turkey has "weaponised" the immigrants against EU and still EU refuses to organize a solid response to this situation and taking away this weapon and money from Turkey.
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There are stories about Turkish Airlines offering great one way fares to IST for people who wanted to immigrate to the social welfare paradise of Europe and then turning a blind eye as these people boarded boats to illegally land in EU territory. EU pays billions to Turkey to keep some refugees in its soil - plenty of them due to its operation in Syria.
So Turkey has "weaponised" the immigrants against EU and still EU refuses to organize a solid response to this situation and taking away this weapon and money from Turkey.
So Turkey has "weaponised" the immigrants against EU and still EU refuses to organize a solid response to this situation and taking away this weapon and money from Turkey.




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According to Turkey, there are 24 NATO bases in Turkey or there were in 2013.
https://www.turkishnews.com/en/conte...ses-in-turkey/
The definition of NATO base may be a bit loose but I presume it means a foreign base on their soil which has been declared/committed to NATO.
https://www.turkishnews.com/en/conte...ses-in-turkey/
The definition of NATO base may be a bit loose but I presume it means a foreign base on their soil which has been declared/committed to NATO.
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That is an angels on the head of a pin argument. If the bases are free to use by national forces assigned to NATO - they are NATO bases.