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Old 20th Apr 2022, 16:06
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Grenfell “joke” guy sentenced

Man who burned Grenfell Tower effigy as a joke at a bonfire party sentenced to 10 weeks in jail suspended for 2 years.

Grenfell Tower Joke

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Apparently he was previously acquitted but the High Court quashed the conviction and directed that he be re-tried.

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Old 20th Apr 2022, 17:57
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We used to have something called 'Black Humour'.

We've all used it at some time, though it appears to be frowned upon these days.

Yes, of course it was in bad taste, but I bet there were more people who 'laughed' at it than there were who took offence (even with so many people that are so keen to be offended these days).

Interesting though that the High Court could overturn the original verdict, but a certain event in Bristol couldn't be.
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Old 20th Apr 2022, 19:05
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That reminds me of a Brexit supporting neighbour (well 1/2 a mile away) including the flag.
On the day of UK leaving he held a party ( no we were not invited for somewhat obvious reasons nor were many other neighbours as we all thought him an arse) however he was going to have suitable Fireworks, so we decided to watch from home as he promised a “Bonza display “. However being from near Huddersfield with Black Cat Fireworks (used to be Standard Fireworks) Factory, he elected to purchase suitable large display fireworks to celebrate taking back control etc, rather than pay to do something or indeed do some planning and remaining sober apparently. However he indeed took drink before the “celebration “ commenced, and all went well with our hero dashing around with flaming torch,however he managed to somehow ignite the rather large garden shed containing the balance of his stash. We thought things were going badly when the Fire Engine passed our lane. However things then got further out of hand, as we were woken by ambulance and Police post the Fire brigade departure by about 2hrs, as his long suffering wife had lost it with him over the fire etc, so he had hit her.
End of the drama has resulted in a suspended sentence for him, and a divorce, and a house sale, but he did take back control 👍 On the downside for me he will not see my Fireworks when we rejoin 🙂🙂

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Old 20th Apr 2022, 20:06
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The worst part for him though was that because he went to hospital on that day the ... sorry "Our NHS" wouldn't have yet received the first of the weekly three fifty million brexit dividends
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Old 20th Apr 2022, 21:11
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Originally Posted by Saintsman View Post
Interesting though that the High Court could overturn the original verdict, but a certain event in Bristol couldn't be.
You mean the emminet judges determined that more public offence had been caused in a case involving ridiculing the horrible deaths of people in a tragic fire, as opposed to pushing a statue into the docks?

If you are so upset about that old slaver, jump in and try and resusitate him.
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Old 21st Apr 2022, 07:51
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Yes, bad taste is now a crime it seems. We had something similar in some ways here in OZ a couple of years ago.
A miscreant was apparently speeding in his Porsche on a busy Melbourne freeway( motorway) was pulled over by the Police. The guy apparently had form and it was decided his car was to be towed and reinforcements sent for as well as a tow truck. So with 4 police officers now in attendance and 2 police vehicles the driver moved to the extreme left of the road to urinate while the police gathered between the parked cars for a chat. At the same time a very large truck( lorry) came along, the truck driver high on drugs, loses control and takes out the 2 police vehicles and the Porsche, killing all 4 police officers. As one of the police officers is in agony the Porsche guy films her on his phone and says to her as she is dying, "look what youse have done to my fu#@ing car"

So the outcome is he has only committed the speeding offence but they come up with a " offence to public decency charge" over the filming. He has been in and out of jail for the last 2 years or so, the police keep finding stuff to charge him with, raid his house and his business, this is ongoing.

Just this week it was reported that he now wants to transition to a woman. Maybe he thinks that will make him untouchable.
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Old 21st Apr 2022, 07:55
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Originally Posted by Mr Mac View Post
On the downside for me he will not see my Fireworks when we rejoin 🙂🙂

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How long is his sentence? 99 years?
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Old 21st Apr 2022, 09:17
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How long is his sentence? 99 years?
won‘t take anything like that long. It needs one generation for one group of Brexiteers to cycle onward and less than that for the rest to realise they have been sold a pup.

Of course, “Special Associate Status“ (i.e. EU membership in all but name) or some such could happen MUCH sooner, as the country puts its grown up pants on and realizes that economic, energy and food security demand volume and easy trading and non-confrontational relations with the neighbours.
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Old 21st Apr 2022, 09:47
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The bigger joke is the real tower is still standing.
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Old 21st Apr 2022, 10:43
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It is really sad that black (in the sense of the colour a hasten to add!) humour is no longer acceptable in todays society.

Often I will say things in the privacy of my own home that I know I dare not say in public, but that isn't how it should be. If people don't like something that a person says or does in public then by all means confront it, but there is absolutely no need to make a criminal offence just to satisfy the social media / internet generation.

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I agree with you there, but can you imagine the outcry among the chattering classes were Kensington and Chelsea council to propose tearing it down? Never mind that it is a totally useless building now, occupying land that could be better purposed to provide new affordable homes of a decent stand for the thousands of Londoners who struggle to find and retain roof over their heads.

I would wager that edifice will still be standing in its current form in 10 years time. I hope I'm wrong.
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Originally Posted by Torquetalk View Post
won‘t take anything like that long. It needs one generation for one group of Brexiteers to cycle onward and less than that for the rest to realise they have been sold a pup.

Of course, “Special Associate Status“ (i.e. EU membership in all but name) or some such could happen MUCH sooner, as the country puts its grown up pants on and realizes that economic, energy and food security demand volume and easy trading and non-confrontational relations with the neighbours.
I like your optimism, but regret I don't share it!
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I am quietly confident of planning a suitably large explosive extravaganza in my lifetime for this event. Attitude is changing in those Red Wall seats and wait until the dash for the Costas starts and when people find how little they have in the way of control. Anyway that is for Brexit thread. I am glad the idiot with his flaming tower is getting his just deserts and to be honest when you here some of the comments on the film some others who were there should hang their heads in shame, however I do not think they could spell it never mind feel it. With regards to the Tower itself I think they should drop it, though the land on which it stand should probably made into a park or something like that, as people maybe not willing to live on a plot associated with so many deaths, though it is not uncommon in areas which have suffered street fighting or heavy bombing.

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Old 21st Apr 2022, 11:35
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I was under the impression that the tower needed to be retained until the end of the enquiry (not sure whether that's specifically to aid the enquiry or for more human reasons).

I believe that from a purely structural point of view it could be restored/refurbished, though that's clearly unthinkable, and I agree that some sort of memorial park seems most appropriate.
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Old 21st Apr 2022, 12:46
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It does have to remain until post enquiry as you say, though I think it will come down quickly after it’s conclusion I am told, though I would personally like some in my sector who bare some responsibility for it to go and live in it first, but that is just me being vindictive. Unfortunately that will not occur, and if the speed of the enquiry continues at this pace then some culprits will not be here or may have moved to sunnier climbs.

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Old 21st Apr 2022, 15:47
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Originally Posted by Saintsman View Post
We used to have something called 'Black Humour'.

We've all used it at some time, though it appears to be frowned upon these days.

Yes, of course it was in bad taste, but I bet there were more people who 'laughed' at it than there were who took offence (even with so many people that are so keen to be offended these days).

Interesting though that the High Court could overturn the original verdict, but a certain event in Bristol couldn't be.
if he’d shot a firework into an effigy of HMS Sheffield would you find it equally as “humorous” I wonder??
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Old 21st Apr 2022, 16:55
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A fitting use for the tower would be offices for the construction, materials and fire safety standards authorities.
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Old 21st Apr 2022, 17:15
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What’s so funny about it? That is portrays black and brown people getting burned to death by white people?
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Old 21st Apr 2022, 18:41
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What’s so funny about it? That is portrays black and brown people getting burned to death by white people?
Mods, do we need this racist on here?
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Old 21st Apr 2022, 19:18
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Why is my question racist?

All the people shown in the windows of the mock up of the building were either black or brown.

The man who created this “tower,” and obviously put a lot of work into it before setting it alight, was Caucasian.

I still don’t know why it is hilarious to recreate a tragedy.

Paul Bussetti, 49, from Sundial Avenue in Croydon, south London, pleaded guilty to one count of sending a “grossly offensive” video when he appeared at Westminster Magistrates’ Court on Wednesday.
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Old 21st Apr 2022, 19:38
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Would this man have burnt such a "tower" had it been full of people like me (ie white, comfortably off and born on on this island)?

I think we all know the answer to this question. Any attempts to excuse his behaviour are disingenuous casuistry.
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