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Old 17th Apr 2022, 22:00
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https://www.independent.ie/irish-new...-41560228.html

I just read the linked story. More than 9 out of every 10 noise complaints received by Dublin airport last year were from the same man, an average of 34 cases daily. He is averaging 94 complaints per day so far this year.

It doesn’t say in the story, but I happen to know he was caught out in 2019 several times making complaints about flights that never departed, ie he was working off schedules and not actual traffic. The town he lives in (Ongar) was built about 20 years after runway 10/28, he only moved in less than 5 years ago.

So come on folks, what’s the worst example of nimbyism you are aware of? And how would you suggest dealing with the offenders?
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Old 18th Apr 2022, 00:00
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Get the suitable person to pay them a visit, tell them that his complaints have been acknowledged, and that his house will being placed on a "Noise-affected, do not buy" list with all the real estate agents. He might shut up.
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Old 18th Apr 2022, 01:59
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Had some locals who complained about a Girl Guide hall that was to be built near them. It was well in the bush and a drop-off area was provided, but they were worried about traffic in their cul-de-sac.
Of course, these are the same people who complain about groups of teenagers roaming the streets at night. Wisely, they were ignored.
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Old 18th Apr 2022, 02:32
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I suspect that may be exactly what he is aiming for.
Can't sell his property (for whatever reason) so will try for compensation instead.

There was a very similar incident here in Perth about 20 years ago.
Principal complainant (000's of complaints) was a single person residing about 20 km from the threshold under a commonly used approach.
For various reasons that runway is/was seldom used for departures.
When measuring devices were plonked outside his house the noise levels recorded were low / insignificant.

The eventual demise of F-28's obviated a lot of the noise complaints.
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Old 18th Apr 2022, 04:50
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People who move into an idyllic (UK) village, then complain about the bell ringing at the local church......."So, when you were looking around for a house to buy in this village, did you not notice the enormous stone building - the one with a large prominent tower - that has been there for over 500 years?".

Other people who buy a house near the approach/departure flight path to an airport, and then complain about....err.....the aircraft.

Both examples are clearly marked on OS maps, so no excuses.
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Old 18th Apr 2022, 06:58
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Originally Posted by Una Due Tfc View Post
https://www.independent.ie/irish-new...-41560228.html

I just read the linked story. More than 9 out of every 10 noise complaints received by Dublin airport last year were from the same man, an average of 34 cases daily. He is averaging 94 complaints per day so far this year.

It doesn’t say in the story, but I happen to know he was caught out in 2019 several times making complaints about flights that never departed, ie he was working off schedules and not actual traffic. The town he lives in (Ongar) was built about 20 years after runway 10/28, he only moved in less than 5 years ago.

So come on folks, what’s the worst example of nimbyism you are aware of? And how would you suggest dealing with the offenders?
Prior to the first Concorde arriving at Heathrow, there were postcards produced to protest about the noise. Many of them were postmarked at times prior to the arrival.
Chap living near Fulham Football Club got a knock on the door; lady asking him to sign a petition against the noise from the football ground to get it closed. She'd bought her house during May/June and hadn't apparently noticed the stadium and floodlight towers. (FFC has been operating since 1879)
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Old 18th Apr 2022, 07:27
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Originally Posted by Una Due Tfc View Post
https://www.independent.ie/irish-new...-41560228.html

I just read the linked story. More than 9 out of every 10 noise complaints received by Dublin airport last year were from the same man, an average of 34 cases daily. He is averaging 94 complaints per day so far this year.

It doesn’t say in the story, but I happen to know he was caught out in 2019 several times making complaints about flights that never departed, ie he was working off schedules and not actual traffic. The town he lives in (Ongar) was built about 20 years after runway 10/28, he only moved in less than 5 years ago.

So come on folks, what’s the worst example of nimbyism you are aware of? And how would you suggest dealing with the offenders?
Why not just remove the free phone number and online noise complaint form? Make people do it the old fashioned way instead. No doubt if these type of people had to actually get off their backsides, purchase pen, paper, envelope and stamp, then take the time to write and post their complaint they may decide the noise is not worth the bother. Posting 5000 letters is going to get expensive!!

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Old 18th Apr 2022, 08:05
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Originally Posted by m0nkfish View Post
Why not just remove the free phone number and online noise complaint form? Make people do it the old fashioned way instead. No doubt if these type of people had to actually get off their backsides, purchase pen, paper, envelope and stamp, then take the time to write and post their complaint they may decide the noise is not worth the bother. Posting 5000 letters is going to get expensive!!
It might just suit the Airport Authority. “Yes Minister/Media, we do receive noise complaints, but almost all of them are from this scammer/nutter. Thus all noise complaints are invalidated. Thank you”.
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Old 18th Apr 2022, 09:00
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I was peeved when they stopped the midnight London/Edinburgh flight for noise reasons, especially as a flight went over our house around midnight every night. So I rang up to ask about it. Answer, "Royal Mail, do you want to complain?"
"No, just curious."
"Are you sure you don't want to complain?"
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Old 18th Apr 2022, 09:18
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Originally Posted by chevvron View Post
Prior to the first Concorde arriving at Heathrow, there were postcards produced to protest about the noise. Many of them were postmarked at times prior to the arrival.
Chap living near Fulham Football Club got a knock on the door; lady asking him to sign a petition against the noise from the football ground to get it closed. She'd bought her house during May/June and hadn't apparently noticed the stadium and floodlight towers. (FFC has been operating since 1879)
Fulham F C deserves all it gets so the lady has understanding (Even more so as the yoyo club is up again!)
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Old 18th Apr 2022, 09:56
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A very close relative of mine is unsympathetic to those of us who oppose the overdevelopment of our urban idyll (I possibly exagerate its attractiveness a tad): "well people need somewhere to live" intoned she portentiously. Then I visited her in her rural village and she was most surprised when I roared with laughter at her opposition to a proposal for houses to be built in the fields backing onto her garden...

Some of my local neighbours complain about helicopter traffic in our vicinity - well they might have a point with the many noisy A109s operating in and out of Biggin, but the majority of louder stuff I hear is either the Met's EC145s or more often the KSS air ambulances routing back to Redhill from dropping off casualties at King's Hospital...
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Old 18th Apr 2022, 10:09
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It really is a shame they built Windsor Castle under the flight paths near Heathrow. You would think the planners would have thought about that.
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Old 18th Apr 2022, 11:04
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Originally Posted by Hydromet View Post
Had some locals who complained about a Girl Guide hall that was to be built near them. It was well in the bush and a drop-off area was provided, but they were worried about traffic in their cul-de-sac.
Of course, these are the same people who complain about groups of teenagers roaming the streets at night. Wisely, they were ignored.
Youth club near us wanted to build a basketball court; planning permission denied after scores of complaints that the facility would attract youths from other areas, who would then go on to create a nuisance with graffiti, drug-taking etc (because that's what young people do, presumably).

We already have a football club in the area that seems to attract vast numbers of young people every day of the week; the only disruption that causes is the large number of Chelsea tractors parked outside, often with their engines running, waiting to collect the kids after their games.
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Old 18th Apr 2022, 11:14
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Teesside airport back in the nineties came up with an excellent plan for a cargo development on the Southside of the airport. At the time most of the local MPs were Labour. A Conservative parish councillor who complained at so much as a fart from ground crew got wind of the development and persuaded the local people that they would be subjected to dozens of 747 freighters per hour. The development went to a judicial review which took years and the developer pulled out.
We now have Conservative MPs and an elected mayor, she doesn't complain.
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Old 18th Apr 2022, 11:31
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Do people ever complain about train noise heard from the house they just moved into near the tracks ?
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Old 18th Apr 2022, 11:35
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Back in the early 90s at RAF Leeming I was on stint of guard duty (Crash Gate 9 from memory) along the road from Leeming Village.
The F3s were on a night exercise with regular take offs, circuits and landings going on till late into the night.
A rather irate member of the public turned up to complain about all the noise and wanted it to stop immediately, I did the usual and gave him a number to call in the morning if he wanted to complain and explained things to him about the station - 3 Squadrons, regular exercises, visitors, etc.
When he'd calmed down a bit as it dawned on him he'd bought a house that looked onto an active RAF airfield we had a chat and he'd viewed his 'new' house twice before buying it - once on a Friday night and the second time on a Sunday. He'd only moved over the previous weekend. His garden looked onto what was 25Sqns HAS Site and he said he thought he place was closed as it was all quiet when he viewed the house. The fact the place in parts was like a building site and lit up every night might have given him a hint even if he hadn't seen any planes,
I may have suggested to him his complaints would be better aimed at the selling Estate Agents rather than the RAF
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Old 18th Apr 2022, 11:50
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I live in a fairly quiet Sydney suburb, but like anywhere in Sydney, there is ambient noise from traffic, trains, aircraft etc that you get used to. At one stage of my working life I transferred to a country town and bought a place about 5 km out of town. The locals I worked with reckoned I'd be kept awake all night by the timber trucks about half a mile away.
It was the silence that took a bit of getting used to.
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Old 18th Apr 2022, 12:18
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Back around WW1, a small steel foundry was set up, and to accommodate the workers, a few suitably austere ‘cottages’ too. Otherwise, it was out in the sticks, away from the nearest town. 7 decades later, urban swelling and housing development had seen the entire area built up with housing. The same foundry had been at times prosperous and on its last legs. But overall, it survived and was many times busier, and the people working there lived within walking distance.

A newly inserted local priest with a penchant for loud voices about noise and other pollution raised merry hell with the council, trying to get the foundry shut down. That is, until his parishioners pointed out their dependence upon the foundry for employment and income.
I gather he eventually moved.
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Old 18th Apr 2022, 12:30
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Originally Posted by DType View Post
I was peeved when they stopped the midnight London/Edinburgh flight for noise reasons, especially as a flight went over our house around midnight every night. So I rang up to ask about it. Answer, "Royal Mail, do you want to complain?"
"No, just curious."
"Are you sure you don't want to complain?"
Way back when Channel express were using Electra's out of Edinburgh we would often hear them coming from miles away on the quieter nights, in the Scottish Borders. Lots of folk used to talk about it, but most of them quite liked hearing it. There was something comforting about hearing it droning away on it's journey coming up from the South. You still hear the odd jet, but it's not the same.
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Old 18th Apr 2022, 12:33
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Keep hearing a deep rumble from my local common on still evenings which I had thought might be jet traffic out of either Gatwick or Heathrow. Now realise it's trains crossing the various bridges on the Brighton line a couple of miles to the west - I've recently heard it several miles further east, surprising how well it carries when there is little background noise.
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