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Old 12th Apr 2022, 10:11
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Baggage should be placed in . . . baggage holds

I sent the following to the 'Times' following their report on congestion in UK airport security facilities. It didn't make it to the 'Letters to the Editor' page:

The congestion in airport security zones (report, April 7) could be partly alleviated by restricting the physical dimensions and quantity of permitted items of carry-on baggage, which have increased markedly over recent years. Reducing bag size would also significantly enhance safety - in the event of a violent shock causing damage to the fuselage following a mishap, there would be reduced likelihood of severe injury to passengers resulting from unrestrained bags flying round the cabin. In the past the overhead stowage was configured for light articles, such as coats. The place for large, heavy bags was the aircraft hold.

Of course, airlines, (or, more accurately, their accountants) will not adopt such a policy voluntarily. It is up to the regulatory authorities (CAA, FAA &c) to mandate it.
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Old 12th Apr 2022, 11:10
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I believe the low cost carriers are responsible for the increase (in recent years) in carry-on baggage sizes, as this allows them to achieve faster turn-rounds.
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Old 12th Apr 2022, 14:07
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If you put everything in a carry-on, you avoid fees on some airlines and greatly reduce the risk of lost luggage. Plus, you don’t have to waste time at the baggage carousel waiting to pick up your luggage.

I store heavier items, like a laptop computer, under the seat in front of me, where it is not likely to fly around in turbulent weather.
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Old 12th Apr 2022, 15:52
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And in the event of an evecuation, cause delay as everybody grabs their carry-on and tries to drags it down the aisle
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Old 12th Apr 2022, 19:07
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Might help if overheads were locked on take off!
Have to say one of the most annoying things is people coming on board with oversize and two or three bags. We haven't flown low cost in Europe for a while (but we will in May) but like some others on here, I am sure, we measure and weigh our bags before travel.
Last flight we were on the feeder line aircraft and the couple behind us carried on two bags each both of which were clearly over size. It probably didn't matter too much even if it did take longer for them to stow above as the plane was delayed for other reasons but it still offends one's sense of what is polite and considerate!
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Old 12th Apr 2022, 19:33
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Originally Posted by ChrisVJ View Post
Might help if overheads were locked on take off!
Have to say one of the most annoying things is people coming on board with oversize and two or three bags. We haven't flown low cost in Europe for a while (but we will in May) but like some others on here, I am sure, we measure and weigh our bags before travel.
Last flight we were on the feeder line aircraft and the couple behind us carried on two bags each both of which were clearly over size. It probably didn't matter too much even if it did take longer for them to stow above as the plane was delayed for other reasons but it still offends one's sense of what is polite and considerate!
Totally agree. Iíve often had the same thought and would almost vote for the lockers to be locked the whole flight!

My particular pet hate is the overhead locker Ďfiddlersí Theyíre up and down through the flight and if you have the misfortune to have an aisle seat, can spend quite a lot of the flight with an unfamiliar crotch hovering around eye level! Iíve been tempted to politely ask the offenders why they need to keep checking their bags? Do they think someone may have got off midway through the flight with their stuff?
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Old 12th Apr 2022, 20:12
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I'm surprised MOL hasn't cottoned on to this.
Lock the overhead lockers during flight and, on landing,pay extra to have your locker unlocked first
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Old 12th Apr 2022, 21:01
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I took Easy Jet once and at the gate the guy in front of me was stopped because his carry on bag was too large

He thought this wasn't the case and protested, so the gate agent pointed the the little cage thingy and offered to let him try and see if it fitted

Well he pushed it in, twisted it, sat on it, smushed the sides a little and was finally able to get his bag inside the cage, so the gate agent had to agree that it could be carried on board

So the guy grabbed the handle of is carry on, pulled and picked everything up off the floor, bag, cage and all
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Old 12th Apr 2022, 21:19
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Might help if overheads were locked on take off!
That old chestnut again ...
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Old 12th Apr 2022, 21:31
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Used to be called "Hat Racks"!
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Old 12th Apr 2022, 22:24
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Used to be called "Hat Racks"!
...back in the days when the cockpit window had to include a blister to accommodate the pilot's moustache
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Old 13th Apr 2022, 01:04
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Originally Posted by horatio_b View Post
I'm surprised MOL hasn't cottoned on to this.
Lock the overhead lockers during flight and, on landing,pay extra to have your locker unlocked first
If you're in a bulkhead seat, everything has to go in the overhead as there is no under seat storage. So on a long flight, you're denying access to a laptop, reading material, even medicine. Yea, that'll fly.
Worse, half the people don't pay any attention to the safety briefing - meaning if there is an evacuation and the overhead storage is locked, they will simply stand there trying to force it open - totally blocking the aisle. Great solution
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Old 13th Apr 2022, 02:57
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Totally agree. I’ve often had the same thought and would almost vote for the lockers to be locked the whole flight!
Really? For (say) QF1 from DWR to LHR - With a quoted duration of 17 hours 35 minutes? I don't think so.
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Old 13th Apr 2022, 04:14
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Disagree

So my son in law had to wait 90 minutes for his baggage travelling business class. There was a period when I actually worked for a living when I had to replace my samsonite twice a year..having been thrown onto a corner so that the locks were sprung for obvious reasons. It's not helpful if your case goes missing. There was a reason in days of yore that the term "Thiefrow" appeared often in the English press.
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Ever seen how the overhead bins are held up? Four 1/4 inch diameter steel pins on 737s, A320s etc,

or just 3 if one has pulled loose. Allllll that weight just above your neck. Amazed that more deaths don't occur.
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Old 13th Apr 2022, 15:07
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Originally Posted by blue up View Post
Ever seen how the overhead bins are held up? Four 1/4 inch diameter steel pins on 737s, A320s etc,

or just 3 if one has pulled loose. Allllll that weight just above your neck. Amazed that more deaths don't occur.
That is a comforting image to recall the next time I'm on a flight watching John and Jane Traveler try to heave their carry-on bags of unknown weight into the overhead compartment. I've always wondered what the weight limit on one of those compartments is, knowing that it is in no way checked or enforced.
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I would ban Alcohol bottle sales on aircraft too, they are bottles of a combustable fluid usually then stuck in an overhead locker and a potential hazard in turbulence or a crash, far better for the crew to sell you a "token bottle", but give you a voucher instead to be redeemed at the airport on landing prior to clearing customs, it also cuts down on weight and saves on fuel burn..
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Old 13th Apr 2022, 15:54
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Originally Posted by NutLoose View Post
I would ban Alcohol bottle sales on aircraft too, they are bottles of a combustable fluid usually then stuck in an overhead locker and a potential hazard in turbulence or a crash, far better for the crew to sell you a "token bottle", but give you a voucher instead to be redeemed at the airport on landing prior to clearing customs, it also cuts down on weight and saves on fuel burn..
C'mon Nutty - What you suggest is reasonable, but far too complicated " Miss, miss , can I get half-bottles of Glayva in Terminal 2 at Schipol and how much do they cost " ? Is this practised anywhere in the world ? Are there any regulations or agreements that forbid arriving passengers from using duty-free shops after touch-down ( not discussing transit here ) ?
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Old 13th Apr 2022, 16:54
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If it helps, I've lost enough weight that I can no longer pull a 737 overhead bin out of the fuselage just by hanging on it.
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Old 13th Apr 2022, 17:18
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Originally Posted by Tango and Cash View Post
That is a comforting image to recall the next time I'm on a flight watching John and Jane Traveler try to heave their carry-on bags of unknown weight into the overhead compartment. I've always wondered what the weight limit on one of those compartments is, knowing that it is in no way checked or enforced.
That's just a lightweight piece of plastic trim adjacent to the overhead crew rest area on the A350. That is most definitely not how overhead lockers are attached to the aircraft structure.
See here for more photos of that area and the offending panel, albeit from another airline.
A350 Overhead Trim
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