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Old 13th Apr 2022, 19:29
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Mask wearing both reduces the output of an infected person and gives a degree of protection to those wearing them, itís not a one-or-the-other thing. The difference they make is down to the type of mask (not a lot for the basic blue ones), the way they are used/worn, the environment, the viral load of the infected person and many other criteria, and in the post-Omicron World their job is a lot harder than it was before, hence the skepticism.

I would put forward that people using FFP2/3 masks are likely to be more concerned about their own health than others around them, as they are more expensive and human nature being what it is.

Problems on flights that I have seen are mainly due to the almost random nature of restrictions placed by countries: no masks, masks on the way in and masks on the way in AND out (why?). They also seem to bear little relation to the progression of the disease and/or immunity levels in those particular countries. I do feel for regular travellers who have to put up with this as well as those given the thankless task of trying to enforce regulations that change by the minute. Itís bit like the security theatre that plays every day in airports around the globe: everyone does it differently, often for no logical reasons...
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Old 13th Apr 2022, 21:08
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US federal mask mandate for air travel extended again...
Mask mandate aboard planes, trains and buses in the US extended until May 3 - CNNPolitics
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Old 13th Apr 2022, 21:37
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Old 13th Apr 2022, 21:53
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Originally Posted by Tango and Cash View Post
US federal mask mandate for air travel extended again...
That's extremely frustrating. US airlines may have to do like the Dutch airlines did. Netherlands government still mandated masks, but all the Dutch airlines just decided theyíre not enforcing it anymore.
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Old 14th Apr 2022, 04:44
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I know 4 people who have come back from holidays abroad since mid February and all 4 developed covid within days of returning whether wearing masks or not.

We were told that catching covid on aircraft was unlikely due to the filtering of air but since then we have had new variants that are more transmissible so I donít believe a word of it.

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Old 14th Apr 2022, 06:29
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Originally Posted by Pain in the R's View Post
I know 4 people who have come back from holidays abroad since mid February and all 4 developed covid within days of returning whether wearing masks or not.

We were told that catching covid on aircraft was unlikely due to the filtering of air but since then we have had knew variants that are more transmissible so I donít believe a word of it.
To be fair a huge number of people currently have Covid. No way you can blame being onboard an aircraft for getting infected. The airport itself is more of a breeding ground with poor airflow, big queues and general mixing.

Similarly over half my extended family currently have Covid. Not one have been on an aircraft recently, Covid is everywhere.
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Old 14th Apr 2022, 07:01
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That's extremely frustrating. US airlines may have to do like the Dutch airlines did. Netherlands government still mandated masks, but all the Dutch airlines just decided theyíre not enforcing it anymore.
I think thatís the only way these mandates are going to end in any setting, is when the public and businesses just vote with their feet and refuse to comply.

It was curious when I travelled in February through STN - that was the first time anywhere I noticed a significant proportion of people were not wearing masks inside the airport itself. I never noticed that the rules had been relaxed in airports. Have I been living in a cave? It just felt people went f itÖ
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Old 14th Apr 2022, 09:19
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It was curious when I travelled in February through STN - that was the first time anywhere I noticed a significant proportion of people were not wearing masks inside the airport itself. I never noticed that the rules had been relaxed in airports. Have I been living in a cave?
Most, if not all, UK airports have removed the mask requirement, but are still advising passengers to wear one.
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Old 14th Apr 2022, 09:48
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Originally Posted by Dannyboy39 View Post
I think thatís the only way these mandates are going to end in any setting, is when the public and businesses just vote with their feet and refuse to comply.

It was curious when I travelled in February through STN - that was the first time anywhere I noticed a significant proportion of people were not wearing masks inside the airport itself. I never noticed that the rules had been relaxed in airports. Have I been living in a cave? It just felt people went f itÖ
Isn't this the first step towards anarchy? The public/companies do not (want to) believe the government and decide not to follow the rules/advice/etc. The government then decides not to enforce them as there is no public support for it.... so is this a steep downward spiral or democracy in action?
Confused from the continent.
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Old 14th Apr 2022, 11:15
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Most, if not all, UK airports have removed the mask requirement, but are still advising passengers to wear one.
Wrong DaveReidUK !
For UK read England and NI !

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Old 14th Apr 2022, 12:39
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Wrong DaveReidUK !
For UK read England and NI !
It's a fair cop - and, speaking as a Scot, I should know better.
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Old 14th Apr 2022, 14:29
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Originally Posted by El Grifo View Post
Left Lanzarote on Mon 28th via RYR on a flight to EDI. Mask wearing on board was the order of the day.
The purpose of the visit was to visit my Mother in a care home, where she had recently been placed.

In order to gain access to the Care Home on a daily basis, a new Antigen test had to be produced. This was provided over the 4 successive days of visiting by both myself and partner.

We then headed for a 2 night stay with friends prior to flying back. One of our friends has health issues, so we opted to continue testing right up to the last day, when the offered to run us to NCL for our flight home.
When we boarded the TUI flight, we were surprised to see that not a single person was wearing a mask. When asking a flight attendant, we were told that the rule had been changed from Obligatory to Advisory for England and NI.

Having taken all possible measures to avoid Covid for the previous 2 years in Lanzarote, a fairly low level Covid Area, having taken an Antigen test every day in both Scotland and England, and departing from one of the most infected countries in Europe,
I was rather taken aback !

During the fully packed flight, there was coughing and sneezing going on up and down the aircraft and the queues for the toilet were the biggest I had ever seen. Up to 14 at the rear and up to 6 at the front.

5 days after our return, I woke up feeling a bit lousy and decided to take another Antigen Test. I was hardly surprised to test positive for Covid.
I then got my partner to repeat the process on herself. No surprise to find that she tested positive also. We had been in touch with no one since our return.

I was absolutely furious, bearing in mind the stringent measures the Spanish Government had kept in place throughout the worst of the pandemic, compared to the lackadaisical approach taken by the English Government.
I say "English" as Scotland still had obligatory mask wearing in place. If the flight had left Scotland, all of the pax would be obliged to wear masks.

Bearing in mind the unique circumstances of our visit, which meant that we tested every single day, there is little doubt that we both contracted Covid during the 4hr+ coughing, sneezing, queueing, non-mask wearing flight to ACE.

I can understand the relaxing of masks wearing in well ventilated spaces, but dropping the requirement in aircraft seems utterly ridiculous.

I can only assume that the decision was a commercial one, taken in order to encourage increased pax numbers over the forthcoming Easter Period.

Travel at your peril !! (or fly from Scotland)

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Iím glad some airlines and authorities are finally realising that itís time to put COVID rules behind us, just a shame it didnít happen sooner. IMHO as soon as the majority had been vaccinated it was time to start returning to normal. Unfortunately we have created a huge industry with the nonsensical knee jerk decisions of our government. This along with governments use of fear to try to coerce compliance that has now meant that so many people have a complete lack of even a fundamental grasp of the risks, there is still a significant resistance to a return to normal.

I personally have stopped wearing masks, I clearly have no objection to those who feel safer wearing them as itís a free country which clearly works both ways.
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Old 14th Apr 2022, 15:39
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Failing classically m0nkfish once again to realise or understand that masks are principally used to prevent the transmission, rather than receipt of Covid, as per WHO guidlines.
I fully agree however that the UK goverenment made a total cock-up from the outset regarding Covid and the terrible infection levels we are seeing today is the ongoing result of this.
In my adopted country, our authorities took things in hand from the outset, allowing, after the inital restrictions, a more or less normal life where mask wearing became an accepted norm.
This has resulted in less than 200 active cases, which will sadly rise as the infected hordes hit our shores for Easter.
We have controls in place that only a few weeks ago were functioning well, as the infection numbers demonstrate. Now that England has relinquished responsibility and infected people are arriving daily, things are going to change for the worst. Ironically it is the self same Travel Industry that seem to be suffering the most due to Covid induced staff shortages etc
I am very bitter, in that after all the steps myself and my country have taken over the last two years have been sacrificed by a 4 hr trip in an alloy tube, where people are forced together in the most condensed fashion, coughing, sneezing and yes, in one case vomiting down the aisle in a dash for the toilets.
I booked the flights long before the responsibility was abandoned and never would have had I known.

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Old 14th Apr 2022, 15:46
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Well, FType and I have been dodging possible infection sources for the last few months (including skipping concerts for which we had bought tickets), but last week we both tested positive. And we had not been on a plane. As you say, there's a lot of it about in the UK.
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Old 14th Apr 2022, 16:43
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I, for reasons stated, was testing every day in Scotland including prior to the 90 minute Airport trip South with friends with whom I had been staying for two days. They have not contracted covid despite sharing the house and vehicle with us.
We spent 90 mins in an very quiet English Airport and 4hrs plus in an aircraft.
Masks were being worn by everyone on arrival and we did not set foot outside our house due to being convinced we were bound to have been infected on the aircraft. It was nothing more than a Flying Petri Dish

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Old 14th Apr 2022, 19:53
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So on our easyJet flight yesterday as we were boarding we were asked if we had our masks. Sat down getting masks out when an announcement come on saying that the rules for the country we were travelling to would normally require mask wearing for this flight. Due to 70% of passengers not having any masks and that they only have 30 masks on board they had decided that masks wouldnít be mandatory and was personal choice. So of course almost everyone that was wearing masks took them off straightaway.

The strange part was that we were going to a country that still had a mask mandate for wearing indoors and 70% of the people hadnít even brought a mask with them!!

Now that we are here it seems they may have been right. Havenít worn a mask since we got here (Greece) not enforced anywhere. Nobody except staff are wearing masks in any shops, or businesses.
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Old 14th Apr 2022, 20:31
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Originally Posted by El Grifo View Post
I am very bitter, in that after all the steps myself and my country have taken over the last two years have been sacrificed by a 4 hr trip in an alloy tube, where people are forced together in the most condensed fashion, coughing, sneezing and yes, in one case vomiting down the aisle in a dash for the toilets.
I booked the flights long before the responsibility was abandoned and never would have had I known.

Thanks TUI !! For Nothing !

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Again you could have avoided all this bitterness and loathing if you had just taken the simple step of protecting yourself by wearing an ffp3 mask. Instead you chose to blame someone else for your personal lack of self responsibility.
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Old 14th Apr 2022, 21:23
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So on our easyJet flight yesterday as we were boarding we were asked if we had our masks.
I suspect the policy depends, partly at least, on where your EZY flight is from/to, and maybe even on who is controlling the boarding.

As per my previous post, the above certainly wasn't my experience at LGW last week (bound for Italy). The policy there was straightforward: if you're not wearing an FFP2 mask, you don't get on the plane.
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Old 15th Apr 2022, 09:15
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Originally Posted by El Grifo View Post
Failing classically m0nkfish once again to realise or understand that masks are principally used to prevent the transmission, rather than receipt of Covid, as per WHO guidlines.
I fully agree however that the UK goverenment made a total cock-up from the outset regarding Covid and the terrible infection levels we are seeing today is the ongoing result of this.
In my adopted country, our authorities took things in hand from the outset, allowing, after the inital restrictions, a more or less normal life where mask wearing became an accepted norm.
This has resulted in less than 200 active cases, which will sadly rise as the infected hordes hit our shores for Easter.
We have controls in place that only a few weeks ago were functioning well, as the infection numbers demonstrate. Now that England has relinquished responsibility and infected people are arriving daily, things are going to change for the worst. Ironically it is the self same Travel Industry that seem to be suffering the most due to Covid induced staff shortages etc
I am very bitter, in that after all the steps myself and my country have taken over the last two years have been sacrificed by a 4 hr trip in an alloy tube, where people are forced together in the most condensed fashion, coughing, sneezing and yes, in one case vomiting down the aisle in a dash for the toilets.
I booked the flights long before the responsibility was abandoned and never would have had I known.

Thanks TUI !! For Nothing !

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Iíve not failed to grasp that masks reduce transmission to others, I am aware of that. People were not worrying about protecting others from colds and flu and wearing masks as a result before this pandemic, and for vaccinated individuals there is an extremely small risk of a serious infection.

Before COVID influenza could and did kill, but we didnít socially coerce and guilt people into wearing masks for the protection of others.

Case in point, you caught COVID but also admit it was basically like a cold and you recovered. But you still think people should be travelling with masks on.


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Old 15th Apr 2022, 09:33
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Case in point, you caught COVID but also admit it was basically like a cold and you recovered. But you still think people should be travelling with masks on.
If I said that M0nkfish, and have no recollection of doing so, then I do not know why. For both my partner and I, it is worse than Flu and we are still sick with it today, Friday, 7 days on. A younger friend in the UK is in his 12th day.
In my case it is my lungs that have taken the brunt and as a non-smoker, that really pi*ses me off.

Not sure where you find your info on my status, feel free to forward it and if an apology is due, I will readily supply it !

Todays News is reporting chaos at Airports over the Easter getaway, largely due to staff shortages due to Covid !!

Whooda Thunk It ?

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