Wokery Gone Mad
Thread Starter
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Kelowna Wine Country
Posts: 470
Wokery Gone Mad
I see from UK newspapers that women in police custody can now be strip searched by unmodified trans men who declare themselves to be women.
Who is allowed to set these policies and why?
Who is allowed to set these policies and why?
Join Date: May 2008
Location: East Sussex
Posts: 449
We've now got (at least) one prisoner who now "identifies" as a baby!
Wants nappies, etc - no doubt trying for breast feeding
Why are these oxygen thieves simply just left in a cell till they "identify" with reality?
Wants nappies, etc - no doubt trying for breast feeding
Why are these oxygen thieves simply just left in a cell till they "identify" with reality?
Gentleman Aviator
Join Date: Jul 2000
Location: Teetering Towers - somewhere in the Shires
Age: 73
Posts: 3,576
It's no different to the convicted rapist who declared himself to be a woman, was put in a women's jail and attacked women there.
short flights long nights
Join Date: Aug 1999
Posts: 3,607
https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/trans-pol...-search-women/
It gets worse. If the women refuses to be searched by such persons, they cane be charged with hate crimes.
It gets worse. If the women refuses to be searched by such persons, they cane be charged with hate crimes.
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: The World
Posts: 1,715
Originally Posted by SOPS
https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/trans-pol...-search-women/
It gets worse. If the women refuses to be searched by such persons, they cane be charged with hate crimes.
It gets worse. If the women refuses to be searched by such persons, they cane be charged with hate crimes.
And after stating a transgender police officer could be taken out of a search if a person objected, the advice says: "If the refusal is based on discriminatory views, consideration should be given for the incident [to] be recorded as a non-crime hate incident unless the circumstances amount to a recordable crime."
The NPCC told LBC that refusal to be searched by a trans officer would not amount to a recorded hate crime.
So anyone can object, and you won't be charged with a crime.
Maybe people should stop taking Daily Fail headlines on face value.....
Join Date: Apr 2020
Location: Rhones-Alpes
Posts: 346
Originally Posted by dr dre
Ar
Maybe people should stop taking Daily Fail headlines on face value.....
Maybe people should stop taking Daily Fail headlines on face value.....
Join Date: Apr 2020
Location: Rhones-Alpes
Posts: 346
Originally Posted by ChrisVJ
I see from UK newspapers that women in police custody can now be strip searched by unmodified trans men who declare themselves to be women.
Who is allowed to set these policies and why?
Who is allowed to set these policies and why?
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Hanging off the end of a thread
Posts: 23,429
Originally Posted by teeteringhead
Saw a report of that which included the words: "She hit the victim with her penis". Now there's two words I never expected to see together...........
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-a6989366.html
As in sport I suppose you need a separate classification, mens, womens and trans competitions, same for prison wings etc.
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: The World
Posts: 1,715
Originally Posted by Tartiflette Fan
Since the accompanying text goes on to talk about hate crimes and why it might/might not be applicable, then those comment do not seem ,at all untoward.
And after stating a transgender police officer could be taken out of a search if a person objected, the advice says: "If the refusal is based on discriminatory views, consideration should be given for the incident [to] be recorded as a non-crime hate incident unless the circumstances amount to a recordable crime."
The NPCC told LBC that refusal to be searched by a trans officer would not amount to a recorded hate crime.
So if you object whilst saying "I don't want a (slur against a transgendered person) touching me" then it may be recorded as a "hate incident" but that is not a crime and there's nothing for the police can really do, and that officer will not be conducting the body search.
However if you say "I don't want a (slur against a transgendered person) touching me" and then assault that officer it would be recorded as a hate crime.
I would trust any officer, transgender or not, to conduct a body search in accordance with the correct procedures.
Join Date: Apr 2020
Location: Rhones-Alpes
Posts: 346
Originally Posted by dr dre
Let's read it again:
And after stating a transgender police officer could be taken out of a search if a person objected, the advice says: "If the refusal is based on discriminatory views, consideration should be given for the incident [to] be recorded as a non-crime hate incident unless the circumstances amount to a recordable crime."
.
And after stating a transgender police officer could be taken out of a search if a person objected, the advice says: "If the refusal is based on discriminatory views, consideration should be given for the incident [to] be recorded as a non-crime hate incident unless the circumstances amount to a recordable crime."
.
The police seem to be getting very keen on creating these new offences. They tried soimething similar a couple of months ago and were slapped down by a judge. I find it quite offensive when they obviously have huge problems with sexual offences in their own ranks and still find time for this nonsense.
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: The World
Posts: 1,715
Originally Posted by Tartiflette Fan
So if i said " Just saying you are a woman doesn't make you one in my eyes " would that be discriminatory and thus reason for it to be recorded as a non-crime hate incident ?
Anyway weren't you taught to be respectful towards police officers performing their jobs and not a smart alec? Why make that comment at all? If you want a different officer to perform the search just say so and leave it at that.
Join Date: Sep 2000
Location: Northampton, England
Age: 62
Posts: 378
The issue here will presumably arise where a transwoman officer might search a cis gender woman. Some folks do transition so well that an observer might struggle to tell.
Firstly the number of transwomen police officers is vanishingly small though there is apparently one in the West Midlands force. Secondly one might reasonably assume that management would take action to ensure such an officer was not put in a position where they searched people. There must already be processes for getting an appropriate officer in place where males need to even do a 'pat down' on a woman.
Notwithstanding the headline it seems that if the person being searched says they'd like a cis person to do it then that will be arranged. Only if discriminatory or offensive language is used might there be a problem.
Mind you it's not as if the Police cover themselves in glory with searches under existing rules.
Firstly the number of transwomen police officers is vanishingly small though there is apparently one in the West Midlands force. Secondly one might reasonably assume that management would take action to ensure such an officer was not put in a position where they searched people. There must already be processes for getting an appropriate officer in place where males need to even do a 'pat down' on a woman.
Notwithstanding the headline it seems that if the person being searched says they'd like a cis person to do it then that will be arranged. Only if discriminatory or offensive language is used might there be a problem.
Mind you it's not as if the Police cover themselves in glory with searches under existing rules.
Join Date: Mar 1999
Location: Brisbane, Qld, Australia
Age: 76
Posts: 1,366
Secondly one might reasonably assume that management would take action to ensure such an officer was not put in a position where they searched people.
Join Date: Sep 2000
Location: Northampton, England
Age: 62
Posts: 378
Originally Posted by 601
That "action" in itself could lead to a court case.
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: USA
Posts: 2,912
The pandering cowards who run some of these government agencies (and often large corporations) appear to be operating under the working assumption that the mephitic drivel appearing in the media represents the thinking of the majority of people. I would hope that it doesn't.
