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Old 10th Apr 2022, 05:21
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I see from UK newspapers that women in police custody can now be strip searched by unmodified trans men who declare themselves to be women.

Who is allowed to set these policies and why?
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Old 10th Apr 2022, 05:29
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You cannot be serious? This is getting out of hand.
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Old 10th Apr 2022, 08:27
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Utterly outrageous and nonsensical. Can you provide a link?

More needs to be done to stamp out this pandering nature. Would also love to know who approved this idea if it is indeed legit.
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Old 10th Apr 2022, 08:31
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It's no different to the convicted rapist who declared himself to be a woman, was put in a women's jail and attacked women there.
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Old 10th Apr 2022, 08:46
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We've now got (at least) one prisoner who now "identifies" as a baby!
Wants nappies, etc - no doubt trying for breast feeding
Why are these oxygen thieves simply just left in a cell till they "identify" with reality?
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It's no different to the convicted rapist who declared himself to be a woman, was put in a women's jail and attacked women there.
Saw a report of that which included the words: "She hit the victim with her penis". Now there's two words I never expected to see together...........
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https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/trans-pol...-search-women/


It gets worse. If the women refuses to be searched by such persons, they cane be charged with hate crimes.
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Originally Posted by SOPS View Post
https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/trans-pol...-search-women/


It gets worse. If the women refuses to be searched by such persons, they cane be charged with hate crimes.
Are you reading that correctly?:

And after stating a transgender police officer could be taken out of a search if a person objected, the advice says: "If the refusal is based on discriminatory views, consideration should be given for the incident [to] be recorded as a non-crime hate incident unless the circumstances amount to a recordable crime."

The NPCC told LBC that refusal to be searched by a trans officer would not amount to a recorded hate crime.

So anyone can object, and you won't be charged with a crime.

Maybe people should stop taking Daily Fail headlines on face value.....
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I stand corrected.
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Old 10th Apr 2022, 10:48
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Originally Posted by dr dre View Post
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Maybe people should stop taking Daily Fail headlines on face value.....
Since the accompanying text goes on to talk about hate crimes and why it might/might not be applicable, then those comment do not seem ,at all untoward.
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Old 10th Apr 2022, 10:51
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Originally Posted by ChrisVJ View Post
I see from UK newspapers that women in police custody can now be strip searched by unmodified trans men who declare themselves to be women.

Who is allowed to set these policies and why?
The people/committee who set this policy really ought to bhe forced to publish their justification for this stupidity ( as I see it). If this "declaration" is simply someone saying "I'm a woman now and want to be treated as such " then that is beyond all sense.
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Old 10th Apr 2022, 10:54
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Originally Posted by teeteringhead View Post
Saw a report of that which included the words: "She hit the victim with her penis". Now there's two words I never expected to see together...........
works both ways

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-a6989366.html

As in sport I suppose you need a separate classification, mens, womens and trans competitions, same for prison wings etc.
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Old 10th Apr 2022, 11:04
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Originally Posted by Tartiflette Fan View Post
Since the accompanying text goes on to talk about hate crimes and why it might/might not be applicable, then those comment do not seem ,at all untoward.
Let's read it again:

And after stating a transgender police officer could be taken out of a search if a person objected, the advice says: "If the refusal is based on discriminatory views, consideration should be given for the incident [to] be recorded as a non-crime hate incident unless the circumstances amount to a recordable crime."

The NPCC told LBC that refusal to be searched by a trans officer would not amount to a recorded hate crime.

So if you object whilst saying "I don't want a (slur against a transgendered person) touching me" then it may be recorded as a "hate incident" but that is not a crime and there's nothing for the police can really do, and that officer will not be conducting the body search.

However if you say "I don't want a (slur against a transgendered person) touching me" and then assault that officer it would be recorded as a hate crime.

I would trust any officer, transgender or not, to conduct a body search in accordance with the correct procedures.
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Old 10th Apr 2022, 11:32
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Originally Posted by dr dre View Post
Let's read it again:

And after stating a transgender police officer could be taken out of a search if a person objected, the advice says: "If the refusal is based on discriminatory views, consideration should be given for the incident [to] be recorded as a non-crime hate incident unless the circumstances amount to a recordable crime."
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So if i said " Just saying you are a woman doesn't make you one in my eyes " would that be discriminatory and thus reason for it to be recorded as a non-crime hate incident ?

The police seem to be getting very keen on creating these new offences. They tried soimething similar a couple of months ago and were slapped down by a judge. I find it quite offensive when they obviously have huge problems with sexual offences in their own ranks and still find time for this nonsense.

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Old 10th Apr 2022, 11:40
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Originally Posted by Tartiflette Fan View Post
So if i said " Just saying you are a woman doesn't make you one in my eyes " would that be discriminatory and thus reason for it to be recorded as a non-crime hate incident ?
You'd have to ask the officer, but probably the same chance as "just saying you are a citizen doesn't make you British in my eyes" to a non white police officer would have as being recorded as a non hate crime incident.

Anyway weren't you taught to be respectful towards police officers performing their jobs and not a smart alec? Why make that comment at all? If you want a different officer to perform the search just say so and leave it at that.
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I self identify as an elephant, so I must be given a bun with my coffee.
However, I fancy fish for supper, so I shall re-identify as a seal.
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Old 10th Apr 2022, 12:14
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The issue here will presumably arise where a transwoman officer might search a cis gender woman. Some folks do transition so well that an observer might struggle to tell.

Firstly the number of transwomen police officers is vanishingly small though there is apparently one in the West Midlands force. Secondly one might reasonably assume that management would take action to ensure such an officer was not put in a position where they searched people. There must already be processes for getting an appropriate officer in place where males need to even do a 'pat down' on a woman.

Notwithstanding the headline it seems that if the person being searched says they'd like a cis person to do it then that will be arranged. Only if discriminatory or offensive language is used might there be a problem.

Mind you it's not as if the Police cover themselves in glory with searches under existing rules.
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Old 10th Apr 2022, 13:38
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Secondly one might reasonably assume that management would take action to ensure such an officer was not put in a position where they searched people.
That "action" in itself could lead to a court case.
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Old 10th Apr 2022, 13:51
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That "action" in itself could lead to a court case.
It could but in light of recent guidance from the Equalities Commission it probably would not succeed; proportionate means to a legitimate end
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Old 10th Apr 2022, 14:54
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The pandering cowards who run some of these government agencies (and often large corporations) appear to be operating under the working assumption that the mephitic drivel appearing in the media represents the thinking of the majority of people. I would hope that it doesn't.
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