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Old 28th Mar 2022, 20:32
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Pointy Spades.

Bear with me.

In US made TV and films, whenever I see a spade, it's a long straight handled thing with a pointy end. In the UK it's a flat blade and usually with 'D' handle on the end.
Why?
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Old 28th Mar 2022, 20:34
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The UK one is a spade. The long-handled one is a shovel.
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Old 28th Mar 2022, 21:00
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Originally Posted by Hydromet View Post
The UK one is a spade. The long-handled one is a shovel.
Not my understanding of it . . .
As far as I understand it, shovels and spades can both have pointed front blades, or straight front blades. The difference is that spades are for cutting into solid ground, and have a flat(tish) blade, where shovels are for moving looser material, and have upturned sides, to contain the material from falling off the blade.
Either can have a point; that just helps with making the insertion into the ground or the loose material easier.
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Old 28th Mar 2022, 21:33
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I agree with Ant -
A spade is a heavy/tough bladed tool which will cut easily,a shovel is lighter metal for shifting loose material such as coal/snow/loose earth.
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AILERON SPADES
Later model Pitts S-2A and model S-2B have a flat rectangular spade with sides turned up for stiffness.
Newer designs typically have a pointed front so it has the properties of a delta wing - effective to higher angles of attack from the aileron deflection.
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Old 28th Mar 2022, 22:07
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If you look at a card deck, the spade is pointy.

I suspect the one with a flat edge is often referred to as a shovel.

Shovels also tend to be wider and sturdier so that they can heave a lot more dirt, whereas spades are designed to go through clay or some other difficult soil.

Snow shovels are very wide. I have never heard of a snow “spade,” although I have used a hoe to chop ice.
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Originally Posted by longer ron View Post
I agree with Ant -
a shovel is lighter metal for shifting loose material such as coal/snow/loose earth.
And, of course, s$%t..
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Old 29th Mar 2022, 03:08
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Apparently, calling a spade a spade is speaking the truth. Nor sure what calling a shovel a shovel means.
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Old 29th Mar 2022, 06:32
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Originally Posted by Hydromet View Post
The UK one is a spade. The long-handled one is a shovel.
Apropos of which, I've never understood the logic in having those spades/shovels with ridiculously long handles, which don't appear to offer any mechanical advantage whatsoever.
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Old 29th Mar 2022, 06:43
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Originally Posted by DaveReidUK View Post
Apropos of which, I've never understood the logic in having those spades/shovels with ridiculously long handles, which don't appear to offer any mechanical advantage whatsoever.
You can deposit coal further into the firebox when shovelling coal in a steam engine.
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Old 29th Mar 2022, 06:49
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I've got a Spear & Jackson No.5
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Was/is that before Michael joined the band?
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Apropos of which, I've never understood the logic in having those spades/shovels with ridiculously long handles, which don't appear to offer any mechanical advantage whatsoever.
The long handled shovel is primarily used for transporting soil or sand to/from a pile in a quick efficient manner a short distance (2metres), whereas the shorter handled spade is used to dig directly at the scene, incising the earth with force. If you've had the pleasure of digging out a lot of earth over some hours, you'll have soon noticed the bad ergonomics of the spade if the spoil heap isn't directly adjacent. Back, shoulders and neck making themselves known ;-)
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Old 29th Mar 2022, 07:23
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Shovels also usually have the D handle as an aid to stop letting go of it when shovelling coal into a fire box.
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Old 29th Mar 2022, 07:29
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Apropos of which, I've never understood the logic in having those spades/shovels with ridiculously long handles, which don't appear to offer any mechanical advantage whatsoever.
The long handled version of the shovel is used in digging and cleaning out post holes in my part of the world. Here is an example:

https://www.totaltools.com.au/16606-...-shovel-640001

A crowbar is the other tool needed in this task. In my earlier lifetime I dug countless post holes using this combination in the fencing jobs that needed to be done. In time, mechanical post hole diggers came into the inventory making things much easier, but the post hole shovel still had its place.

A second reason is to be found in adventure off road driving where getting bogged seems to be part of the fun, and indeed, in some circles, a badge of honour. The extra length of the long handled version may be needed to reach under the vehicle to remove material if the driver has excelled in this strange art form. People who are serious in achieving this strange status will have the shovel mounted on the roof bars or a holder on the back of the vehicle. I don't understand this but it happens.

Shovels and spades are different utensils with different uses - it's useful to have both in the garden shed. The purpose of the pointy nose shovel has always eluded me. I've never had one or used one. Perhaps the pointy cutting edge makes it easier to penetrate the earth in some applications. I've lost interest in these sorts of activity these days.
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Old 29th Mar 2022, 08:11
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Originally Posted by N707ZS View Post
Shovels also usually have the D handle as an aid to stop letting go of it when shovelling coal into a fire box.
Proper enginemen use a T handle and you can hook your little finger around the end to stop the shovel disappearing when firing a long box such as a 4-6-0. A long blade is also useful for cooking breakfast. You can hold a reservoir of hot oil at the back for cooking the eggs while the sausages sizzle at the front.
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Old 29th Mar 2022, 08:11
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Having had to shift a heap of 20mm gravel it became abundantly clear that a standard shovel is no use as it makes it too difficult to dig into the heap ( apparently the trick is to spread it on a board). Never thought about it but i imagine the narrow pointy shovel affair seen in the US might work better. Wonder why they haven't caught on here. My wife seems to like digging ( veg patch and typically 30 odd trees a year into our recalitrant boulder clay). Please be non-judgemental.
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Old 29th Mar 2022, 08:33
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Orcadian peat-cutting tools.
https://shetland.betweenislands.com/peat-cutting

And... from Denmark.
http://www.euro-t-guide.com/See_Phot...ug_2012_20.jpg
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Old 29th Mar 2022, 09:49
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What about this one?

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I think that’s a WW2 Home Guard anti paratrooper device. They don’t like it up ‘em!
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