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Old 19th Feb 2022, 11:29
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Originally Posted by Mike6567 View Post
My mistake. It must have been another airline 380 did a go-around about 12:45
The Qatar would have been in the circuit then (over SE London). No other A380s visible on Heathrow's tracker or Mode S at that time.
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Old 19th Feb 2022, 12:01
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Big Jet TV subtitles

As something as a sideshow to the approaches and landings (or otherwise) on Big Jet TV yesterday, keeping an eye on the subtitles brought it's own entertainment (I assume these are generated by some kind of voice recognition software).

For example, in this example, what was actually said was "Andy Peters"...


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Old 19th Feb 2022, 12:15
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There is a good clip in the MailnOline of a Qatari 777 taken inside the flight deck and matched up with Big Jet's footage of the landing.
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Old 19th Feb 2022, 12:46
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Originally Posted by Mike6567 View Post
There is a good clip in the MailnOline of a Qatari 777 taken inside the flight deck and matched up with Big Jet's footage of the landing.
For those that find a web link useful, here it is:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ing-VIDEO.html
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Old 19th Feb 2022, 12:50
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Originally Posted by Airbanda View Post
The accident to BEA Vanguard G-APEE which crashed at Heathrow on 27-10-65 was attributed in part to crew fatigue and disorientation on a third approach after two go arounds. I'm sure I read somewhere that accident was a factor in guidance around 3rd approaches,
Actually that rings a bell. That and a VSI that started reading downwards instead of upwards during the first part of the ‘Overshoot’ IIRC.
Quite sobering waiting at the threshold of 27R (28? ) and counting the rust spots in the concrete which were reputed to be part of said Vanguard.

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Old 19th Feb 2022, 14:14
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I was told at the time that it was instrument lag which caused them to pull up too far and hence stall. Pretty scary, because as SLF I had plenty of Vanguard GAs, mostly at EDI due to fog.
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Old 19th Feb 2022, 14:46
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Originally Posted by DType View Post
I was told at the time that it was instrument lag which caused them to pull up too far and hence stall. Pretty scary, because as SLF I had plenty of Vanguard GAs, mostly at EDI due to fog.

yes you are right. I could have worded it a bit better.
The Vertical Speed Indicator ( VSI) was thought to have been a major factor. During the approach it would have been showing about 650 ft/ minute down. During the subsequent Go Around the lag on the instrument meant it was probably showing a descent so you pull a bit harder. Then it all goes wrong.
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Old 19th Feb 2022, 17:23
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Hello Oy You: I believe I had but 1600 hours fixed wing, so I guess I'm a novice. But I believe in a go-around I would be looking out of the windscreen,seeing the earth get smaller,rather than watch a VSI. Yes, I'm a VERY old Shackleton driver.
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Old 19th Feb 2022, 18:22
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Originally Posted by cafesolo View Post
Hello Oy You: I believe I had but 1600 hours fixed wing, so I guess I'm a novice. But I believe in a go-around I would be looking out of the windscreen,seeing the earth get smaller,rather than watch a VSI. Yes, I'm a VERY old Shackleton driver.
How would that work if low visibility was the cause of the missed approach?

Better to use a reliable attitude reference, the AI, especially as setting a specific initial climb attitude is desirable.
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Old 19th Feb 2022, 19:10
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Originally Posted by cafesolo View Post
Hello Oy You: I believe I had but 1600 hours fixed wing, so I guess I'm a novice. But I believe in a go-around I would be looking out of the windscreen,seeing the earth get smaller,rather than watch a VSI. Yes, I'm a VERY old Shackleton driver.
As said. In zero vis looking out the window isn,t a lot of help.
2500 hours on Vanguards. At the risk of boring everyone else with the thread drift but can I refer you to BEA Flying staff information bulletin No 301
published 9th March 1966. The date is relevant. Do you have a copy?
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Old 20th Feb 2022, 13:52
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Originally Posted by Abbey Road View Post
For those that find a web link useful, here it is:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ing-VIDEO.html
Obviously it’s a bit gusty but does this look like over controlling?

Yes I can fly a 777 and did land during the recent storms, before someone tells me I couldn’t do it myself.

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Old 20th Feb 2022, 14:49
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I haven't read through the whole thread, but am I the only one who finds the silly, juvenile outpouring audio on the 'Big Jet' channel totally out of character for the professionalism of the subject. The video quality is very good (high end equipment) but the 'mute' function is essential.
Having looked at a couple of other clips Bristol, Brum andf Fairford, ('aluminum overcasts'!) I was struck by the extra difficulty of the first two as against LHR. - the comparative uneven surfaces, Brum, particularly. You get the glide slope right you peg the speed ... and some sod lowers the runway !!! The regionals looked to have a tougher 'row to hoe'.
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Old 20th Feb 2022, 15:04
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I appreciate that we were all to be scared rigid by "Eunice" but across central England the effects of "Franklin" in terms both of the wind, which is at least as strong as "Eunice" and the incessant heavy rain make today's event far worse, but with far fewer hysterical headlines! Then London and the Southeast aren't presently in the firing line of "Franklin".
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Old 20th Feb 2022, 15:22
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Originally Posted by ATNotts View Post
I appreciate that we were all to be scared rigid by "Eunice" but across central England the effects of "Franklin" in terms both of the wind, which is at least as strong as "Eunice" and the incessant heavy rain make today's event far worse, but with far fewer hysterical headlines! Then London and the Southeast aren't presently in the firing line of "Franklin".
It was the red warning that go everyone’s attention, which was due to population density in the SE and wind speeds in the SW. Best wishes to all facing Franklin.
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Old 20th Feb 2022, 15:24
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Originally Posted by Cornish Jack View Post
I haven't read through the whole thread, but am I the only one who finds the silly, juvenile outpouring audio on the 'Big Jet' channel totally out of character for the professionalism of the subject. The video quality is very good (high end equipment) but the 'mute' function is essential.
Having looked at a couple of other clips Bristol, Brum andf Fairford, ('aluminum overcasts'!) I was struck by the extra difficulty of the first two as against LHR. - the comparative uneven surfaces, Brum, particularly. You get the glide slope right you peg the speed ... and some sod lowers the runway !!! The regionals looked to have a tougher 'row to hoe'.
CJ - got it in one and if not offended enjoy the automated subtitles as posted earlier, there were many more howlers.
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Old 20th Feb 2022, 16:22
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With you on that wind speed at the moment, as nothing extreme. However the rain has been extremely heavy over the last few days, and I can see there being some flooding off the back of this, especially given the snow melt, and indeed the already sodden ground from the rain last week, which Mrs Mac said was bad since Wednesday. Indeed with only a short lull on Saturday, it’s rained constantly since my return Friday am. I think there is something on the news at possible flooding in the NW which would not surprise me.

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Old 20th Feb 2022, 17:42
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Originally Posted by whatdoesthisbuttondo View Post
Obviously it’s a bit gusty but does this look like over controlling?

Yes I can fly a 777 and did land during the recent storms, before someone tells me I couldn’t do it myself.
I was reluctant to mention it but I had similar thoughts. I flew the B777 for 6 years and still teach conversion courses on the aircraft as an SFI. He flew the aircraft safely to a safe landing so well done but his technique was interesting
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Old 20th Feb 2022, 20:15
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Simon P - we share that sub-title pleasure ! Nowadays, I view all such featured programmes with the mute on. It removes much aggravation and adds much unintended humour !
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Old 21st Feb 2022, 16:35
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Finally back on air. Power went off 1000 Friday and was restored midday today. A few intermittent cuts since then but generally much better and calmer. The odd roof ripped off in the village and a lots of trees and fences down. Biggest concern for us was the freezer. Fortunately, we have a neighbour who was on a different wire and their power came back much earlier. A long extension lead over the garden fence and into the garage solved the immediate problem just as the freezer was passing -5. The nights were long though and anyone who wants my wood burner will have to tear it from my cold dead hands. The emergency lighting worked well and we snatched a recharge for the lights and phones off the extension lead.
Now we have heat and hot water, the next priority is a lingering shower.
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Old 21st Feb 2022, 16:53
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I will have to advise the wind did get up after my post late yesterday afternoon, and was ferocious through out the night. No trees down here, but we did have a York stone roofing slate cracked, which is quite something as I have never had that here, or any other house I have owned with that type of roof. Anyway all reparable.

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