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Old 5th Feb 2022, 21:04
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Stuff Boris is responsible for

We used to walk to our local station and take the trainthe one stop along the line into town. It was convenient for us, initially cheaper than the cost of parking in town and removed the time pressure on time spent there. And then Covid came along .........

We reduced the number of trips into town but we still had to go in for the banks once in a while. We decided that it would be easier to "social distance" if we drove to the outskirts and parked for free, then walked the last mile into the town centre. Quite pleasant, along the bank of the river/canal right into the centre. We still do this. Where we park there is eight or ten Boris bike stands. At the other end of the estate, about a quarter mile from the car, there is another twelve Boris bike stands, again with no bikes. Finally, in the centre of the town there are yet more bikeless stands.........

I remember the arguments and campaign to get these "MUST HAVE" bikes installed. I thought at the time it was a bit of an ambitious project but assumed that the necessary preliminary research had been done and maybe, there were enough folk prepared to pay to ride a pushbike to make it viable. Apparently not. Personally, I would not. I do wonder how much they cost the general public.

Are they still in use where you are?

Skateboard parks were another amenity that no self respecting council should fail to provide, they soon fell into disuse and disrepair although they are starting to see some use again.

Isn't it odd the way these things are so important before they happen and so quickly forgotten about afterwards?

I bet there are many others?

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Old 6th Feb 2022, 04:14
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Just search for ‘china bike problem’ to see mountains of unused bikes.
Electric scooters are now the councils must have item.
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Old 6th Feb 2022, 05:10
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By chance, whilst going through old bookmarks last week, I came across a websit that had photos of these bike mountains in and around cities in China. Some were unused, others the result of hired bikes being returned and getting out of hand. The photos were both shocking and strangely beautiful at the same time.

Pre-pandemic the 'Boris-bikes' in London were well used, mainly by tourists/visitors, but also by locals to a smaller extent. Mass usage was never a thing due to the British mentality towards cycling in general, in comparison to some of the closer European countries. Then during the majority of the last 2 years there have been as good as no tourists and the number of commuters drastically reduced. In 2020 the number of people/families who decided cycling was a great way to get around exploded to the point of there being shortages everywhere, thus reducing the usage of the 'BB's' further. Usage is automatically monitored to allow shortfalls or overcapacities to be addressed quickly. It's very likely that the massive drop off in usage has caused many of the bikes to be re-located to TfL's warehouses to be stored/maintained out of the elements. I think that if usage doesn't bounce back by Easter, then you'll know that it was one of those 'must haves' that councils seem to waste millions on from time to time, such as skateparks and the dreaded electric scooters.

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Old 6th Feb 2022, 06:30
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Originally Posted by rans6andrew View Post
We used to walk to our local station and take the trainthe one stop along the line into town. It was convenient for us, initially cheaper than the cost of parking in town and removed the time pressure on time spent there. And then Covid came along .........

We reduced the number of trips into town but we still had to go in for the banks once in a while. We decided that it would be easier to "social distance" if we drove to the outskirts and parked for free, then walked the last mile into the town centre. Quite pleasant, along the bank of the river/canal right into the centre. We still do this. Where we park there is eight or ten Boris bike stands. At the other end of the estate, about a quarter mile from the car, there is another twelve Boris bike stands, again with no bikes. Finally, in the centre of the town there are yet more bikeless stands.........

I remember the arguments and campaign to get these "MUST HAVE" bikes installed. I thought at the time it was a bit of an ambitious project but assumed that the necessary preliminary research had been done and maybe, there were enough folk prepared to pay to ride a pushbike to make it viable. Apparently not. Personally, I would not. I do wonder how much they cost the general public.

Are they still in use where you are?

Skateboard parks were another amenity that no self respecting council should fail to provide, they soon fell into disuse and disrepair although they are starting to see some use again.

Isn't it odd the way these things are so important before they happen and so quickly forgotten about afterwards?

I bet there are many others?

Rans6....
2021 Saw the highest ever usage of the Santander bike scheme in London.

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Old 6th Feb 2022, 08:31
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I absolutely love the Boris Bikes.
Last summer and Autumn, my son and I would take the train down to London, cycle between attractions, go to a restaurant and explore parts of London we had never been to.
It was so interesting and a great way to spend the day and so convenient.
The transport costs with my railcard were the same price as going to the cinema.
Missing out the tube is as good a reason as any to have the bikes and we would see plenty of people (by the sound of the accents - British Tourists) using the bikes.
Don't knock it until you have tried it.

Looking forward to the spring to do it again.
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Old 6th Feb 2022, 09:34
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Pre-Covid, they were getting a lot of use for the final commute leg from mainline rail stations to the office (and back in the evening).
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Old 6th Feb 2022, 11:27
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Originally Posted by SpringHeeledJack View Post
one of those 'must haves' that councils seem to waste millions on from time to time, such as skateparks
I was Mayor of the Youth Town Council when I was a sprog and got to be a part of the design and building of a skatepark outside of town swimming pool/sports centre. It's still in use today some 20+ years later by young skaters whose parents were with me at the inaugral opening when we were skaters.

The reason skateparks seem to have a bad reputation is because they're seen as quick fixes, throw some concrete down next to the swings and job done. They need through life maintenance (like everything else, park benches, road markings etc) and location is important. Ours was placed in the arcs of the CCTV and lighting of the sports centre and is well maintained by the Council and hence has flourished and will continue to do so for many more generations.
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Old 6th Feb 2022, 11:43
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Walking down to the shops in Purley the other day, there was a some form of Boris bike neatly parked on its stand in the middle of the pavement next to the Rotary Field. Never seen one outside central London. Where did it come from? Where did it go? Did its owners know where it had been left?

Mate says a bike security cage has been installed near to his house on a residential street in Croydon - no one so far uses it, presumably anybody (like me) who has a bike will prefer to keep it within the domestic fortress, rather than out on the street even if there is some form of security.
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Apparently those security cages are more expensive over a year to park one's Hobby Horse than to park one's Jalopy in the same street!
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Old 6th Feb 2022, 19:26
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We know all about the shortages of bikes to buy. Our local bike shop had pre-ordered a number of bikes for last summer and I got my name onto the list for the only one of the model I wanted in my size during the last week in August. It came into the shop last Thursday (yep 5 months later) and they assembled/adjusted is for me on Friday when they opened half an hour earlier than their normal time so I could collect it in time for our cycling group end of month ride. We did 16 miles that outing. We were out again on Sunday and took on some of Dalby Forest, covering another 17 miles.

I would hesitate to hire a bike from some stand in the street, as despite having the correct XL size for my person it took a few adjustments as we went to get the saddle and handle bar angles just how I want them for riding. I have also adjusted the pressure in the rear suspension for a softer ride for road use although it needed to go back up while in forest. I have also added a bottle holder. None of these tweaks would be expected from a Boris bike hire, not even sure different sized frames would be available.

My other half was also going to join the waiting list for a bike of her original choice but after riding a few of the shop demo models opted for a different model as she felt more comfortable on it. Struck lucky and got to take home the shop demo model with a significant discount as it was last year's model and being superseded. She picked up her new bike last September.

All need now is a bit of a break in the wind and rain. Having tried to cycle against 15mph gusting 30mph and only 2 deg C I don't recommend it, even on an Ebike. Going crosswind is no joke either.

Rans6..........
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Old 6th Feb 2022, 20:04
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Originally Posted by SpringHeeledJack View Post
Apparently those security cages are more expensive over a year to park one's Hobby Horse than to park one's Jalopy in the same street!
They aren't really that expensive.
Providing you can find availability, the first year cost for a bike locker in central Croydon is only £20 per year.
By all accounts, there is a very long waiting list for these but there are also other facilities available called bike hangars and these are £72 per year.

It's not really that much when you consider the price of many modern cycles.
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Old 7th Feb 2022, 07:12
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They aren't really that expensive.
Providing you can find availability, the first year cost for a bike locker in central Croydon is only £20 per year.
By all accounts, there is a very long waiting list for these but there are also other facilities available called bike hangars and these are £72 per year.

It's not really that much when you consider the price of many modern cycles.
Fair enough, that price is very decent. A friend a bit further in towards London pays more for his bike shelter place than he does for his car in Lambeth Borough. With the advent of cordless angle grinders most locks are no protection against some of the more determined thieves and for anyone with a 'desirable' bike it's a huge risk.
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I think those are the kind of lockers which are located at East Croydon Station - these seem to be for residents, my mate is about 10 minutes walk from the station and tucked down a side road.

Croydon Council plan to use £3m funding from TfL to create an 18 month "experimental" mandatory cycle lane along a mile and a half stretch of road outside my house with a consultation at the end of the trial period. It'll mean that my neighbours and I will no longer be able to load/unload, receive deliveries, etc, etc. I fired off an indignant email to their eminences in the Highways Planning Department, copied to my (opposition) councillors and MP. My councillor has responded to say she has made some comments about the plan, nothing from HPD. As I pointed out, foisting such schemes on residents with no consultation whatsoever is outrageous and I know damn well that at the end of the 18 months they'll judge it a success and it'll be permanent. Had a new fridge delivered the other day, how would that have happened without considerable faff. How will people move in/out?
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Why would they have a consultation with the residents most affected, when you will very likely all be against it? We can't have democracy stopping our plans.
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I see there has been an increase in sales of flame retardant underwear. Is that down to our glorious leader?
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£3m funding from TfL to create an 18 month "experimental" mandatory cycle lane along a mile and a half stretch of road
The cost of white paint must have shot up since I last bought any ...
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Old 7th Feb 2022, 09:52
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They plan to stick "wands" along the existing cycle lane... Repainting the almost invisible existing white lines might help. They have other ideas for planters and so on to make walking more pleasant; I queried why they didn't invest the money in providing a zebra crossing close to where my house is, a much needed safety item on a busy road in the vicinity of two bus stops which a lot of elderly people and those with small children use daily. I can nip across without too much problem but I'm always seeing people standing in the central refuge waiting for an almost non-existent gap in the rush hour traffic, or one of those rare as rocking horse pooh thoughtful drivers... Do you know, silly me, I thought the speed limit was 30mph hereabouts...
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The Barclays / Santander London cycle scheme has been a roaring success, I think anyone who knows a bit about the scheme would agree. It would be wrong to credit the oaf Johnson with the idea however, the scheme was in development stages and had been mostly funded long before he came along. Like most bad leaders he was merely happy to take the credit on launch day, and sadly the name has stuck.
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Old 7th Feb 2022, 10:41
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I could cycle or walk into town - but cycling back with 20 kgs of shopping hanging on the handlebars would be terrible - which is why I drive the ¾ mile in my car. We used to use the bus until they shut the service down (the disused bus terminal is now an unofficial free car park for people who work in town). Meanwhile, councils are making it more and more inconvenient to drive or park in town, putting in cycle paths and making roads pedestrian precincts - and then the hand-wringing about the death of town centres begins... You couldn't make it up.
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Here we go Blacksheep

https://www.eta.co.uk/2014/01/23/but...e-re-invented/

https://www.biketart.com/bikes-c1/el...20group%20%231

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/203524049...90c01eb8399eab

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