Oz sends Novak Djokovic packing
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Originally Posted by TWT
My recollection is that only one of the Dokic family was a problem. Damir, the father, not his daughter, Jelena.
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Originally Posted by annakm
Call me cynical, but it seems an incredibly convenient time to be infected by Covid - perfect timing to acquire immunity
Oh, and you are cynical. Happy to help
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Originally Posted by B Fraser
Did I not read somewhere that he has had Covid twice ? So much for immunity.
Oh, and you are cynical. Happy to help
Oh, and you are cynical. Happy to help
Is there not any pictures of him out partying around Christmas time? These guys love social media. That would have been exactly when he claims he had covid. That by itself should be enough to bar him due being a person of bad character.
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I'm confused as to why he thought an exemption would be iron clad and not subject to further review upon entry?
At the least his assistants and staff should have realized that he was attempting to gain entry into Australia. Even the most sheltered of individuals know Oz's approach to managing the virus and lockdowns. Disagree or not with the government's stance, it was hardly a secret.
The crux for me however, is this "I have a secret approach." While I agree that one's medical condition is one's business, either he fufills the requirements to enter Australia or he does not. The "I have immunity" line sounds weak. Arguing that we do not know the facts is even more weak as he could clarify them with a single sentence.
If I don't like a country's entry requirements then I simply don't go there. If he is being subject to the equivalent of Roman or Nazi torture then why did he not take a seat on the first available outbound flight? First or business class gets use of the club for many airlines and he could shower and eat in a comfort significantly more amenable than crucifixion.
Cynicism says Oz will fold. Important people get what they want in life. Look at the throngs of fans outside his quarters pleading that he gets a pass even if they don't. That's the spirit plebes!
At the least his assistants and staff should have realized that he was attempting to gain entry into Australia. Even the most sheltered of individuals know Oz's approach to managing the virus and lockdowns. Disagree or not with the government's stance, it was hardly a secret.
The crux for me however, is this "I have a secret approach." While I agree that one's medical condition is one's business, either he fufills the requirements to enter Australia or he does not. The "I have immunity" line sounds weak. Arguing that we do not know the facts is even more weak as he could clarify them with a single sentence.
If I don't like a country's entry requirements then I simply don't go there. If he is being subject to the equivalent of Roman or Nazi torture then why did he not take a seat on the first available outbound flight? First or business class gets use of the club for many airlines and he could shower and eat in a comfort significantly more amenable than crucifixion.
Cynicism says Oz will fold. Important people get what they want in life. Look at the throngs of fans outside his quarters pleading that he gets a pass even if they don't. That's the spirit plebes!
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Novak Djokovic’s ‘unbelievably irresponsible’ behaviour while Covid positive exposed, photos, attended public events, Australian Open 2022 | news.com.au — Australia’s leading news site
Interesting 'perspectives' about ND and the saga, particularly:
Interesting 'perspectives' about ND and the saga, particularly:
Unbelievably irresponsible. What a turd.
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Under law the court case should be pretty swift and clear cut.
IF:
- Border Force are argued and accepted by the Judge as the final arbiter, and
- NJ does not meet the current specifications Border Force are working to
then he has no legal leg to stand on, end of story. Case dismissed.
The moaning about the actions/incompetence/misleading/lying of various government departments, Tennis Australia, ND representatives, ND's activities in public whilst allegedly being Covid positive and all the other crap in the media are irrelevant - but might sell a few more tabloids/magazines.
I would hope the Judge puts a rocket up the arse for all those entities who have contributed to this shamble.
IF, by some means other than legal argument ND was to win wonder how the apparent double standard of deporting a female player in the same/similar circumstances will play out.
IF:
- Border Force are argued and accepted by the Judge as the final arbiter, and
- NJ does not meet the current specifications Border Force are working to
then he has no legal leg to stand on, end of story. Case dismissed.
The moaning about the actions/incompetence/misleading/lying of various government departments, Tennis Australia, ND representatives, ND's activities in public whilst allegedly being Covid positive and all the other crap in the media are irrelevant - but might sell a few more tabloids/magazines.
I would hope the Judge puts a rocket up the arse for all those entities who have contributed to this shamble.
IF, by some means other than legal argument ND was to win wonder how the apparent double standard of deporting a female player in the same/similar circumstances will play out.
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I see that some in Serbia are getting their dander up against Australia.
Oz, however, is quite some distance. Do you think perhaps if they directed their ire against Austria all parties could just call it even? It does start with an A after all and many people, quite unfortunately, wouldn't know the difference.
Oz, however, is quite some distance. Do you think perhaps if they directed their ire against Austria all parties could just call it even? It does start with an A after all and many people, quite unfortunately, wouldn't know the difference.
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Originally Posted by SaulGoodman
I think the Aus regulations are way too tough and naive and how they have treated aircrews is close to the Chinese authorities…
having said that: their country their rules and it is excellent that they have made an example of Djoko!
Vaccinations work! I’m still amazed that so many don’t seem to trust medical science anymore. I’ve never had a medical specialist tell me how to a fly a plane. Why should I teach him about vaccines?
having said that: their country their rules and it is excellent that they have made an example of Djoko!
Vaccinations work! I’m still amazed that so many don’t seem to trust medical science anymore. I’ve never had a medical specialist tell me how to a fly a plane. Why should I teach him about vaccines?
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I'm quite sure ND will be able to find a dodgy doctor to give him a certificate showing he can't be safely vaccinated, and I'm equally sure since this is privileged medical information the politicians will be reduced to saying "sorry, he's allowed in, I can't say anymore due medical confidentiality". And cue public uproar of secret backroom deals. Be interesting to see the reaction on court. TA must be p1ssing themselves with all the free publicity.
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In breaking news the State of Victoria's Chief Health Officer (CHO) had written a letter to the Federal Government saying that if Novak was infected with Covid-19 in December then it is a valid exemption as he has the requisite immunity levels to pose no risk for the duration of the Australian Open.
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Originally Posted by deja vu
A bit rich coming from a full on supporter of active lobbying of his government to have their expatriate colleagues visas not renewed
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Originally Posted by cattletruck
In breaking news the State of Victoria's Chief Health Officer (CHO) had written a letter to the Federal Government saying that if Novak was infected with Covid-19 in December then it is a valid exemption as he has the requisite immunity levels to pose no risk for the duration of the Australian Open.
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Originally Posted by filejw
Some governments do except being infected as immune for a period of time, say 4 months. Always two sides to every story.
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Whatever the outcome now, he’s on a lose lose.
If he wins his case, the crowd will be extremely hostile. The Aussies I’ve known always have a strong sense of fair play and the majority won’t be happy - to the point where playing on court at the AO might be virtually impossible.
If he loses, he’s going to look arrogant, entitled and a poor loser for even pursuing legal recourse.
Either way, it’s already looking like he’s either lied about the positive result in mid December, or he genuinely did have Covid but knowingly continued to mix (maskless) with unsuspecting members of the public. Either way that is deception and won’t do his credibility any good whatsoever.
I rather liked Andy Murray’s extremely woolly politician type response:
"I think everyone is shocked by it,"
"I'm going to say two things on it just now. The first thing is that I hope that Novak is OK. I know him well, and I've always had a good relationship with him and I hope that he's OK.
"The second thing: it's really not good for tennis at all and I don't think it's good for anyone involved. I think it's really bad.
If he wins his case, the crowd will be extremely hostile. The Aussies I’ve known always have a strong sense of fair play and the majority won’t be happy - to the point where playing on court at the AO might be virtually impossible.
If he loses, he’s going to look arrogant, entitled and a poor loser for even pursuing legal recourse.
Either way, it’s already looking like he’s either lied about the positive result in mid December, or he genuinely did have Covid but knowingly continued to mix (maskless) with unsuspecting members of the public. Either way that is deception and won’t do his credibility any good whatsoever.
I rather liked Andy Murray’s extremely woolly politician type response:
"I think everyone is shocked by it,"
"I'm going to say two things on it just now. The first thing is that I hope that Novak is OK. I know him well, and I've always had a good relationship with him and I hope that he's OK.
"The second thing: it's really not good for tennis at all and I don't think it's good for anyone involved. I think it's really bad.
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Originally Posted by filejw
Some governments do except being infected as immune for a period of time, say 4 months. Always two sides to every story.
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IF, IF the court accepts the final arbiter of arrival/entry - or not - into Australia is Border Force AND he doesn't meet their current specifications then it's case closed. Simple as that.
Whatever advice/input/thoughts/recommendation from ANY other source is irrelevant.
Whatever advice/input/thoughts/recommendation from ANY other source is irrelevant.
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Originally Posted by Mariner9
Other government's regulations aren't relevant to this matter - its the Judge's interpretation of the Australian rules in relation to the claimed medical exemption that will decide this. I reckon ND's side are pretty confident or he wouldn't have bothered staying and risk facing the ignominy of deportation.
