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Old 3rd Jan 2022, 14:53
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Originally Posted by PilotLZ View Post
We're no longer buying time for scientists to find out what we're dealing with. We're no longer buying time for a vaccine to arrive.
Any time bought by travel restrictions isn't really about either of those.

It's about managing the demand on finite health resources and trying to ensure that they aren't swamped by numbers of people that they simply can't treat.
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Old 3rd Jan 2022, 18:20
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And by people who need treating for something else but have their bed taken by a Covid patient who decided vaccination was optional
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Old 3rd Jan 2022, 19:35
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Any time bought by travel restrictions isn't really about either of those.

It's about managing the demand on finite health resources and trying to ensure that they aren't swamped by numbers of people that they simply can't treat.
But people are spreading the virus domestically. There is nothing to gain by preventing travel into the country if thereís already community transmission, right?
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Old 3rd Jan 2022, 19:51
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But people are spreading the virus domestically. There is nothing to gain by preventing travel into the country if thereís already community transmission, right?
Exactly. I am yet to see anything past anecdotal evidence that travel has a significant impact on case numbers once community transmission is rife.
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Old 3rd Jan 2022, 20:24
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Exactly. I am yet to see anything past anecdotal evidence that travel has a significant impact on case numbers once community transmission is rife.
Sadly, unless you have a time machine that can re-run the last 2 years with and then without any travel bans, you are going to have to fall back on a bit of maths and some R numbers.
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Old 4th Jan 2022, 06:35
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Sadly, unless you have a time machine that can re-run the last 2 years with and then without any travel bans, you are going to have to fall back on a bit of maths and some R numbers.
But the same was apparent with Alpha and Delta. Countries pulled up the drawbridge to the UK and later India despite the fact both variants were already in the country.

I may have mentioned it earlier in the thread about a particular LHR-BER flight which took place just before Christmas 2020 when the German travel rules had changed whilst these passengers were in the air. UK passport holders were denied entry to the country and kept at the gate area for 16 hours, whilst EU citizens were allowed through. How was that scientific when you're making health decisions based on someone's passport colour?

The key was to keep out the original 'wildcat' virus from Wuhan in Dec 2019. Sir Chris Whitty was very consistent in early 2020 - he said that there was no need to stop flights from China early in the pandemic. It wouldn't prevent, but instead 'slow it down'. In hindsight, this policy from the CMO was completely wrong although like now, the ban could've been futile as the cat was likely already out of the bag.
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Old 4th Jan 2022, 12:53
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Novak Djokovic gets his medical exemption to get into Australia vaccine-less. Of course he does!
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Old 4th Jan 2022, 13:25
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Novak Djokovic gets his medical exemption to get into Australia vaccine-less. Of course he does!
Did anyone doubt that he would - medical exemption my @rse!! As usual money talks, and it's one rule for the majority, another for the privileged.
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Old 4th Jan 2022, 13:36
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Originally Posted by Dannyboy39 View Post
I may have mentioned it earlier in the thread about a particular LHR-BER flight which took place just before Christmas 2020 when the German travel rules had changed whilst these passengers were in the air. UK passport holders were denied entry to the country and kept at the gate area for 16 hours, whilst EU citizens were allowed through. How was that scientific when you're making health decisions based on someone's passport colour?.
Fair comment and of course what you describe is about as scientific (or not) as for example the UK not regarding somebody double vaccinated with Pfizer by an organization other than the NHS as not being exempt from some UK quarantine requirements (was the case for a while last summer), or more recently somebody fully vaccinated outside the UK being handled differently by T&T with regard to post contact isolation because (again) they had not been vaccinated by the NHS..

Pretty much every country or block has been guilty at some point when it comes to stupid or illogical Border rules.
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Old 4th Jan 2022, 13:45
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Fair comment and of course what you describe is about as scientific (or not) as for example the UK not regarding somebody double vaccinated with Pfizer by an organization other than the NHS as not being exempt from some UK quarantine requirements (was the case for a while last summer), or more recently somebody fully vaccinated outside the UK being handled differently by T&T with regard to post contact isolation because (again) they had not been vaccinated by the NHS..

Pretty much every country or block has been guilty at some point when it comes to stupid or illogical Border rules.
Itís good to see some recovery in the travel sector. Many people are eager to travel now the rules are relaxing for the fully vacced. I met a BA A380 pilot recently. Flown two trips now since some hulls returned to service. In excess of 360 pax every sector. Nearly 400 on one of them. .
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Old 4th Jan 2022, 13:48
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Fair comment and of course what you describe is about as scientific (or not) as for example the UK not regarding somebody double vaccinated with Pfizer by an organization other than the NHS as not being exempt from some UK quarantine requirements (was the case for a while last summer), or more recently somebody fully vaccinated outside the UK being handled differently by T&T with regard to post contact isolation because (again) they had not been vaccinated by the NHS..

Pretty much every country or block has been guilty at some point when it comes to stupid or illogical Border rules.
I completely agree with you!
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Old 4th Jan 2022, 13:49
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Itís good to see some recovery in the travel sector. Many people are eager to travel now the rules are relaxing for the fully vacced. I met a BA A380 pilot recently. Flown two trips now since some hulls returned to service. In excess of 360 pax every sector. Nearly 400 on one of them. .
And those numbers are just aviation vloggers looking to take the nice trip to FRA on the 380.
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Old 5th Jan 2022, 08:52
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No, FRA and MAD were temporary sectors flown for pilot recency. The numbers quoted were on MIA and LAX trips recently.
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