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Old 21st Dec 2021, 16:05
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Where the aircrafts are.
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Old 22nd Dec 2021, 04:05
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What if China invades Taiwan on the same day as Russia invades Ukraine?
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Old 22nd Dec 2021, 08:10
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What if China invades Taiwan on the same day as Russia invades Ukraine?
Then the west will be twice as busy having to write two strongly worded press releases instead of just one.
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Old 22nd Dec 2021, 09:34
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What if China invades Taiwan on the same day as Russia invades Ukraine?
The US has enough in its arsenal to deal with both threats at the same time given strong leadership.
It could probably also deal with Iran and North Korea as well if it wanted, but that would be total war.

The Chinese and Russian military aren't that great, even though we are led to believe they are.
The Taiwanese along with US stationed troops in the vicinity would be able to give China a message that they aren't going to win.
The Chinese may be able to field a million troops, but that isn't much good if they can't get across the Straits of Taiwan.

Without being Hawkish, a message should be sent to Moscow, we ain't pissin around anymore.


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Old 22nd Dec 2021, 15:34
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What if China invades Taiwan on the same day as Russia invades Ukraine?
I would assume all internet will be unuseable for a while - I read this somewhere but not sure how bad it could be?
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Old 22nd Dec 2021, 17:24
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Bit like The Cuba Situation in reverse really !

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Old 22nd Dec 2021, 18:04
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Not really bothered what happens outside the UK, we are the world's sixth biggest economy and we have trade deals with Vanuatu, Albania and The Faeroes.
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Old 23rd Dec 2021, 00:36
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Civil war in days if RU invaded.
Lived Odessa for a while on and off and has always been waiting for an excuse under the surface, tensions palpable.
Ethnic Russians vs Ukrainians.
Russian feelings about Ukraine are so complex I don't even fully understand them after twenty years here.
Wise to look at Transnistria as they will assist Russia as would Belarus.
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Old 23rd Dec 2021, 00:55
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Xmas Eve, with the westerners drunk and disorderly, the Chinese satellites turn off the GPS and comms satellites, their hackers shut down the power systems and the Huawei phones all shut down the cell towers, China walks into Taiwan and nobody knows about it, Russia walks into Ukraine, and the whole nasty mess slowly dawns on the west a few days later. The world has changed, not much to be done about it.
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Old 23rd Dec 2021, 02:04
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New idea for this year's Christmas party hats?

Fashion them yourself out of aluminium foil and everything will be all right.
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Old 23rd Dec 2021, 02:06
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Old 23rd Dec 2021, 02:16
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Old 23rd Dec 2021, 05:08
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Originally Posted by Ascend Charlie View Post
Xmas Eve, with the westerners drunk and disorderly, the Chinese satellites turn off the GPS and comms satellites, their hackers shut down the power systems and the Huawei phones all shut down the cell towers, China walks into Taiwan and nobody knows about it, Russia walks into Ukraine, and the whole nasty mess slowly dawns on the west a few days later. The world has changed, not much to be done about it.
Yup. If you want to invade Australia do it on the opening day of the Boxing Day test match.
This is not September 1939.
Which is both good and bad. We have no real Treaty obligations to force the West to act. The Germans and French will do nothing. For obvious reasons.
Either way Putin and Xi win.
And the West is impotent.
Welcome to Real Politic circa 2021.
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Old 23rd Dec 2021, 05:37
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The Chinese dont need to invade Australia........they already own most of it and have paid cash
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Old 23rd Dec 2021, 06:27
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Ditto Londinium.
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Old 23rd Dec 2021, 08:51
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Ditto Espana !
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Old 23rd Dec 2021, 15:26
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I am totally willing to listen to the views of others.
How does this differ in any significant way and I do mean significant, from the Cuban Missile situation !
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Old 23rd Dec 2021, 15:36
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Originally Posted by El Grifo View Post
I am totally willing to listen to the views of others.
How does this differ in any significant way and I do mean significant, from the Cuban Missile situation !
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The most significant point is that the Cuban missile crisis was between two superpowers. Forcing one or the other to back down.

Russian and Ukraine? Not even close. The west will do nothing over an invasion of Ukraine, other than protest and bring in some sanctions. There will be exactly zero thought to sending troops.

So to your question. The CMC saw a threat to each side, the current situation sees no threat to either side (of the “superpowers”). In the end Russia would take Ukraine easily, it just comes down to how fast they take it.
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Old 23rd Dec 2021, 16:54
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Originally Posted by Flyhighfirst View Post
The most significant point is that the Cuban missile crisis was between two superpowers. Forcing one or the other to back down.

Russian and Ukraine? Not even close. The west will do nothing over an invasion of Ukraine, other than protest and bring in some sanctions. There will be exactly zero thought to sending troops.

So to your question. The CMC saw a threat to each side, the current situation sees no threat to either side (of the “superpowers”). In the end Russia would take Ukraine easily, it just comes down to how fast they take it.
Agree. The situation would be very much different if, for example, Russia or their friends in Belarus had designs on retaking any of the Baltic States or say, annexing half of Poland. That could be extremely serious, I believe the Kremlin understands that, which is why they are much more comfortable reinforcing their influence in Ukraine, a country that they probably needlessly relinquished control over back in the early 1990s, and one which they simply can't allow to join NATO if that were ever really on the cards.
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Old 23rd Dec 2021, 16:57
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What has Russia offered to calm down the situation or as trade in? Will they return anything?
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