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Old 28th Oct 2021, 04:10
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They hand him a gun that they say does not have a live round. Full stop.

They tell him where to point it to get a good action sequence.

Who put the real bullet in it and who didn’t check that it wasn’t loaded with a live round before they gave it to him and told him it was “cold,” meaning that he couldn’t kill anything with it.

His experience or certificates with guns has nothing to do with him trusting someone else on set who said the gun was “cold” hence incapable of killing someone.

The armorer is the person who is PAID to keep track of the guns and the ammo.

Although Alec Baldwin was also a producer, he was just an actor, trusting the people responsible for the guns to make sure nobody would get killed.

In all of Shakespeare’s plays, how many people actually die on set during sword fights or poisonings or stabbing? Not very many.

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Old 28th Oct 2021, 05:38
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Originally Posted by kit344 View Post
Does Mr Baldwin hold any firearms certificates ?
Firearms certificates are a UK thing.
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Old 28th Oct 2021, 11:41
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The Police now seem to be confirming a live round was fired which begs the question; Why would live ammo even be near the set?! Surely the simplest of simpletons can see the problem with that?
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Old 28th Oct 2021, 15:50
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Originally Posted by ChrisVJ View Post
Another question. The difference is not between live ammo and blanks, it is between live ammo and dummies. Then how do you tell?
Once again, relying on newspapers, they quoted someone involved as saying that the dummies have holes drilled in the sides. That is obviously a proof when handling them, but is hidden when the rounds are in the cylinder. How far along the line does the "proof" have to go ?


@ Tashengurt: Crew members were using the prop guns ( obviously real ! ) for shooting at tin-cans during interruptions to filming. More than ridiculous to store all ammunition ( live, blanks, visual dummies ) in the same compartment which is apparently what was happening.

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Old 28th Oct 2021, 15:57
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Originally Posted by visibility3miles View Post
In all of Shakespeare’s plays, how many people actually die on set during sword fights or poisonings or stabbing? Not very many.
Can't recall any deaths, but there have been injuries - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/stories-51878964 & https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/...stabbed-stage/
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Old 28th Oct 2021, 18:38
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Originally Posted by kit344 View Post
Does Mr Baldwin hold any firearms certificates ?
Alec Baldwin has been very vocally anti-gun and anti-NRA (National Rifle Assoc) for many, many years. Basically condemning anyone outside law enforcement who owns a gun. The idea that he'd take a firearm safety course is almost laughable.

As a radio host pointed out yesterday, the irony is that it Baldwin had taken even a basic firearm safety course from the NRA, it's likely he would have done a check of said firearm and detected the live ammo - and not shot someone dead.
I had an uncle that was an avid gun collector (also very much an outdoor sportsman - including hunting/fishing). He was almost anal about firearm safety (he'd caught a load of buckshot in the back of his legs when I was a kid courtesy of the guy he was bird hunting with - nearly lost a leg). When I visited him about 20 years ago he proudly showed me his firearm collection - and he carefully inspected every single gun to insure it wasn't loaded before he handed it to me (including looking through the barrel from the breach end to make sure there was nothing in there).
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Old 28th Oct 2021, 19:41
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Originally Posted by Tashengurt View Post
The Police now seem to be confirming a live round was fired which begs the question; Why would live ammo even be near the set?! Surely the simplest of simpletons can see the problem with that?
‘Rust’ crew reportedly loaded Baldwin’s gun with live bullets for target practice
https://nypost.com/2021/10/26/rust-c...-for-plinking/
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Old 29th Oct 2021, 14:25
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Originally Posted by stagger View Post
‘Rust’ crew reportedly loaded Baldwin’s gun with live bullets for target practice
https://nypost.com/2021/10/26/rust-c...-for-plinking/
I just ran that scenario past my 9yo son and he could see the danger.
The question stands though; why even have live rounds on the set?
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Old 29th Oct 2021, 15:44
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Originally Posted by Tashengurt View Post
I just ran that scenario past my 9yo son and he could see the danger.
The question stands though; why even have live rounds on the set?
I think the answer to that has been covered, They liked to use the same guns to plink cans when they were at a loose end. Is there no equivalent to the Health and Safety at Work Etc Act in the US or was the equivalent just ignored? Couldn't they just read a book or something?

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Old 29th Oct 2021, 21:02
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Originally Posted by Ninthace View Post
I think the answer to that has been covered, They liked to use the same guns to plink cans when they were at a lose end. Is there no equivalent to the Health and Safety at Work Etc Act in the US or was the equivalent just ignored? Couldn't they just read a book or something?
Mobile phones were probably banned on set in case they rang during filming.
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