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Old 6th Oct 2021, 18:30
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Parking on pavement

Parking on Pavement in London is illegal unless marked that you can. However in the rest of the UK it is tolerated and unless is a drop kerb, within a certain distance of a junction, double or single yellow lines, times vary etc
So in a ' normal ' residents road it is allowed... However also in the Highway code it is ' recommended ' not to restrict the width left so pushchairs or prams etc have to go onto the road to get past.
This is a real bug bear of mine and has been discussed, and thrown out in Parliament.

What I don't understand is the fixation with parking on the pavement, unless the driver can't be bothered to find a more suitable, ie further away, place to park.
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Old 6th Oct 2021, 19:03
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Delivery drivers seemingly almost without exception stick two wheels on the kerb. Still blocking one side of the road and now they are blocking the pavement too.
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Old 6th Oct 2021, 19:05
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I have a residential road beside me which is a bus route.
Unless everyone parks partly on the pavement there is no way a bus could get through.
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Old 6th Oct 2021, 19:46
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As a former lorry driver, there is usually absolutely nowhere suitable to park a larger vehicle in towns and cities, especially when you are delivering or collecting large items (like fridges /cookers etc).
I don't know what could be done about this.

(Helicopter deliveries?)
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Old 6th Oct 2021, 20:56
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Where my daughter lives there is little off street parking and the road is too narrow for cars to park both sides unless wheels are on the pavenent. I think when the houses were built just after WW2 the road was ok for Austin 7s and other similar cars but todays cars are just too big.
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Old 6th Oct 2021, 22:25
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I suppose someone is going to have to explain that "UK pavement" = "US sidewalk". My city of residence in US has a local ordinance prohibiting parking on the sidewalks. My residential street is wide enough to park each side and still leave more than enough room for a school bus or any delivery truck but some people still obstruct the sidewalk. Morons!

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Old 7th Oct 2021, 00:08
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My town has been under development since 1980. From the start, money was saved by specifying narrower sealed roads for residential streets and courts, with roll back kerbs and wider nature strips (unsealed pavements/sidewalks). The idea being that cars would park partially or wholly on the nature strips.

This allowed sufficient road width for buses, fire engines and garbage collection vehicles to get through.

Roll forward 40 years and the local council started fining people for parking on nature strips, because such parking is banned in other parts of Australia. Muppets.

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Old 7th Oct 2021, 11:12
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It's a plague where we live. Cars parked partly or even wholly on the pavement in some places, paving slabs smashed*, the elderly and wheel chair users forced into the road to get round vehicles parked across their way and yet still no benefit to traffic flow.

There's no need for it ever.
1, Road's too narrow to park - You need to remove the whole vehicle width from the road to make a difference, not just a bit of it. Drivers will still have to queue behind your vehicle either way, you want them to try and squeeze past at speed rather than stop first?
2, I'm in a hurry/It's an emergency - And? Just park, it saves time, no need to complicate the manoeuvre
3, Everybody else does it - Don't be so weak

Pulling onto the pavement does seem to be a nervous twitch though. I've seen it done on closed industrial sites (wide roads, little traffic) at weekends (even less traffic!); in towns where although the road is marked for 2 lanes they are wide enough for 4. Maybe the Highway Code has changed since I last read it and single or double yellow lines actually mean you must park with the vehicle astride the lines.

London has it right. The sooner it spreads to the rest of the country, the better.
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Old 7th Oct 2021, 12:14
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The centre of our small market town has in recent years become a nightmare due to poor and lazy parking at night as there is no regulation after 6pm. Pavement parking, parking on double yellow lines and in bus bays is the nightly occurrence. One of the reasons for this is that most of the multi-storey office blocks in the town have been converted into apartments under permitted development. The Council planning department has no coherent parking and will not refuse approval for additional building associated with these permitted developments even when objections are raised about the issues concerning parking.
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Old 7th Oct 2021, 12:18
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Out here in the sticks, there are lots of places in the town and villages where the houses are terraced and have no driveways and there is nowhere to park other than in the road. I have seen it (I can't immediately remember where) where the local authority have painted the pavements about 2 feet wide to allow for car parking partly on the pavement but presumably with sufficient room for a pram or wheelchair to pass..
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Old 7th Oct 2021, 12:47
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On new housing estates parking on the pavement is pretty well the only option (where the developers have actually bothered putting pavements in, many now prefer the "shared space concept) otherwise if two cars, especially infernal SUVs, are parked opposite each other, a fire appliance would be hard pressed to get to the burning house at the end of the road.

I find myself having to park on residential roads as part of my job, and what really gets my goat is how people would rather block access for emergency vehicles than walk an extra 10 or 20 metres from a safer place to park their cars. I often wonder why God is still having babies delivered with legs. I often find myself parking around the corner on another side road to avoid blocking driveways are parking carelessly. The exercise probably does me a little good!
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Old 7th Oct 2021, 13:08
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Where I live we have the added obstacle of motorcyclists riding on the pavements!
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Old 7th Oct 2021, 13:54
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While walking the dog last night, a driving instructor blocked our way while he parked his car wholly on the pavement so he could go to a chip shop.
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Old 7th Oct 2021, 15:37
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When Download was on people parked all the way along through Castle Doningtons main drag as there is no lines, because of the flow of traffic they all parked two wheels on the curb, how I laughed when I drove through the village the following day to see everyone of them sporting a ticket, the irony of it all is if they had parked legally the whole traffic system would have ground to a halt as the two way system would have in effect become one lane.
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Old 7th Oct 2021, 15:50
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Originally Posted by NutLoose View Post
When Download was on people parked all the way along through Castle Doningtons main drag as there is no lines, because of the flow of traffic they all parked two wheels on the curb, how I laughed when I drove through the village the following day to see everyone of them sporting a ticket, the irony of it all is if they had parked legally the whole traffic system would have ground to a halt as the two way system would have in effect become one lane.
Would love to know what they were ticketed for as it isn't illegal to park on a footpath. It is, I understand, illegal to block the footpath (by block I mean not leave sufficient space for a pram/pushchair or wheelchair) or to drive on a footpath other than for the purposes of entry/exit to a property (residential or commercial).
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Old 7th Oct 2021, 15:55
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It was a narrow path so I doubt you would get a pram up it.
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Old 7th Oct 2021, 16:25
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Originally Posted by golfbananajam View Post
Would love to know what they were ticketed for as it isn't illegal to park on a footpath. It is, I understand, illegal to block the footpath (by block I mean not leave sufficient space for a pram/pushchair or wheelchair) or to drive on a footpath other than for the purposes of entry/exit to a property (residential or commercial).
Not so. ISTR that in London it's illegal to park on a kerb unless there are signs to permit it. There may be other places the same.
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Old 7th Oct 2021, 17:15
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Originally Posted by NutLoose View Post
When Download was on people parked all the way along through Castle Doningtons main drag as there is no lines, because of the flow of traffic they all parked two wheels on the curb, how I laughed when I drove through the village the following day to see everyone of them sporting a ticket, the irony of it all is if they had parked legally the whole traffic system would have ground to a halt as the two way system would have in effect become one lane.
Out of interest, where in Castle Donn were they actually parked ? on the hill by any chance ?...I agree, some bits are narrow but overall, from when you enter the 30 limit coming from the A50, the road isn't that narrow until the right hand curve and the hill...and those sodding traffic lights whose sequencing "offers scope for improvement"
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Yes on hill from the traffic lights up to the pub and aeropark. Those lights next to the bus stop come “station” wanted ripping out and a mini roundabout adding, traffic flowed better when they packed up, but it’s all been alleviated now traffic wise with the new bypass. It was about two downloads ago when they pounced on them.
I would imagine there was a temporary council issued restriction as they do from the aeropark to the track with speed restrictions and coaning off parking.

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Old 7th Oct 2021, 18:26
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Originally Posted by NutLoose View Post
Yes on hill from the traffic lights up to the pub and aeropark. Those lights next to the bus stop come “station” wanted ripping out and a mini roundabout adding, traffic flowed better when they packed up, but it’s all been alleviated now traffic wise with the new bypass. It was about two downloads ago when they pounced on them.
I would imagine there was a temporary council issued restriction as they do from the aeropark to the track with speed restrictions and coaning off parking.
I believe there normally is a special parking order in place during Download and other big events at Donington Park. I recall there being restrictions being in place on the road up to the crash gate, by the Nags Head on previous "event" occasions.
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