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Old 27th Sep 2021, 20:01
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Originally Posted by Planemike View Post
Re: your second point. If we need more tanker drivers, then we need to be employing more and training them. This reliance on folk from overseas is pure short termism. A well known phenomenon in this country...
But surely, much of that is because overseas workers can often be cheaper to employ. The minimum wage for locals has its downside…..market forces always prevail where legislation leaves a gap and more profit can be made.
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Old 27th Sep 2021, 20:17
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Ok, I am really starting to get annoyed by all the articles about “panic buying” petrol. It is impossible to panic buy petrol. You either need it so have the space or don’t need it, and can’t buy it because your tank is full. It doesn’t matter whether you fill up when your tank is 80% or 10%. Panic buying is when you buy 30 rolls of loo roll that will take you months to go through.

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Old 27th Sep 2021, 20:46
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Originally Posted by ShyTorque View Post
But surely, much of that is because overseas workers can often be cheaper to employ. The minimum wage for locals has its downside…..market forces always prevail where legislation leaves a gap and more profit can be made.
The R4 lunchtime news programme had a Brexit enthusiast 'expert' suggesting that the HGV driver shortage was a 'good thing' and proved the value of Brexit. As I understood it, he thought that there would be a forced increase in HGV salaries and this would lead to a general increase in incomes and the resultant 'cash splash' would lead to more high street spending and , and, and...
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Old 27th Sep 2021, 20:53
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Originally Posted by highflyer40 View Post
Ok, I am really starting to get annoyed by all the articles about “panic buying” petrol. It is impossible to panic buy petrol. You either need it so have the space or don’t need it, and can’t buy it because your tank is full. It doesn’t matter whether you fill up when your tank is 80% or 10%. Panic buying is when you buy 30 rolls of loo roll that will take you months to go through.
Errr...putting aside the people filling jerry cans - check this out...someone emptying out water bottles and filling them with petrol at a pump...

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/uknews...buying-driver/
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Old 27th Sep 2021, 20:55
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If the system can barely deliver a week's consumption each week, how long will it take to deliver the extra amount to keep everyone's tank full? That's when the panic should subside. I think I have insufficient data to answer my question. The other worry is the extra consumption caused by hunting for petrol and keeping the engine ticking over while queueing. Additionally, isn't the delivery capacity shrinking?
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Old 27th Sep 2021, 21:16
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Originally Posted by Richard W View Post
If the system can barely deliver a week's consumption each week, how long will it take to deliver the extra amount to keep everyone's tank full? That's when the panic should subside. I think I have insufficient data to answer my question. The other worry is the extra consumption caused by hunting for petrol and keeping the engine ticking over while queueing. Additionally, isn't the delivery capacity shrinking?
That is the only problem. There is no problem with supply. Only delivery from refinery to pumps.

Your first sentence doesn’t make any sense if you think about it. If everyone waited until they were near empty to fill up, or filled up when they got to 75% is exactly the same for consumption.

Hence why it is impossible to “panic buy” petrol. If you can fit it in the tank, then ergo you need it.

Normally I’m quite bad and fill up once the car says I have about 20 miles left. The neighbour fills up once his car gets to half a tank. During this current situation once I get to half a tank I will not necessarily stop for petrol, but if I happen to see a petrol station open without a queue I would stop to top up.

I can normally go a week to 10 days on a tank (only getting 350 miles to the tank on a 19 plate car). I think that is probably quite average in the UK.
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Old 27th Sep 2021, 21:18
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Lunchtime news - HMG says no plans to involve the Army. The problem will go away.
Evening news - Army on standby, priority of supply to key workers.

So did they have a plan and lied about it at midday, or are they being overtaken by events, or is there something they have been told and don’t want to share or are they just inept?
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Old 27th Sep 2021, 21:30
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Old 28th Sep 2021, 07:21
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Surely the best way of putting a stop to selfish buying of fuel (5-10 litre top ups) that just exacerbate queuing and fuels the impression that there is a shortage is to turn buying restriction on their head so that rather than, as some retailers have been doing, restricting customers to a maximum of £30 worth of fuel, better to make the minimum purchaseof fuel for cars and vans to, say, £25.00 (clearly motorcycles would require an exemption) so that any idiot that wants a 10 litre top up would still have to pay £25, meaning they would in effect be paying £2.50 per litre.

That should put paid to silly top ups. I can imagine an outcry on social media, but it would expose those culprits.
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Old 28th Sep 2021, 07:29
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My car runs on 98 Ron or higher. How are the higher Ron pumps doing, and can you jump the queue for them, or do you have to stay in line anyway?
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Old 28th Sep 2021, 08:15
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Just go to the front on the queue, I'm sure everybody else will understand.
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Old 28th Sep 2021, 08:26
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There were plenty of signs of the coming driver shortage which has now happened. The average age of the drivers was rising and there was little interest from people in entering the field, which was understandable given the long hours, length of time spent away from home, poor working conditions and low pay. Dicing with hoards of illegals at Calais didn't help much either.

The current situation could have been avoided if steps had been taken earlier on, train drivers are well paid and enjoy decent conditions so why not lorry drivers who are arguably just as, if not more essential ?

Paying enough to attract and retain suitable people would be a good start, benchmarking at similar levels to train drivers might involve a few pence more on the weeks shopping or petrol fill up, but surely that's preferable to bare supermarket shelves and queues around the block for fuel.
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Old 28th Sep 2021, 08:30
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Finally managed to fill up at a small local petrol station - small queue outside, bit of agro when a white van pushed in, apart from that, all good.

Edited to add: I guess I didn't actually need to fill up today, I was just aware that I would before the end of the week and didn't want to stress of having to look for petrol when my tank was near empty.
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Old 28th Sep 2021, 08:35
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Originally Posted by highflyer40 View Post
Ok, I am really starting to get annoyed by all the articles about “panic buying” petrol. It is impossible to panic buy petrol. You either need it so have the space or don’t need it, and can’t buy it because your tank is full. It doesn’t matter whether you fill up when your tank is 80% or 10%. Panic buying is when you buy 30 rolls of loo roll that will take you months to go through.
Lots of people normally drive round with their tanks nearly empty, and just put in what they're going to need for the next week or so. That makes sense from a cashflow perspective, especially if you don't have a lot of spare cash. Others do relatively low mileage, and only fill up every few weeks. When these people start worrying that they might be unable to get fuel when they need it, and all rush out to fill up their tanks at once, it's known as panic buying.


Originally Posted by ATNotts View Post
Surely the best way of putting a stop to selfish buying of fuel (5-10 litre top ups) that just exacerbate queuing and fuels the impression that there is a shortage is to turn buying restriction on their head so that rather than, as some retailers have been doing, restricting customers to a maximum of £30 worth of fuel, better to make the minimum purchaseof fuel for cars and vans to, say, £25.00 (clearly motorcycles would require an exemption) so that any idiot that wants a 10 litre top up would still have to pay £25, meaning they would in effect be paying £2.50 per litre.
Round here, it's not queueing that creates the impression of a shortage, it's empty filling stations. Buying a few litres at a time may be pretty silly, and it's obviously going to make the queues longer and annoy lots of people, but small purchases will have a small impact on stocks. It's the people turning up with empty tanks that are taking most of the fuel and closing the filling stations.
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Old 28th Sep 2021, 08:49
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Originally Posted by pasta View Post
Lots of people normally drive round with their tanks nearly empty, and just put in what they're going to need for the next week or so. That makes sense from a cashflow perspective, especially if you don't have a lot of spare cash. Others do relatively low mileage, and only fill up every few weeks. When these people start worrying that they might be unable to get fuel when they need it, and all rush out to fill up their tanks at once, it's known as panic buying.



Round here, it's not queueing that creates the impression of a shortage, it's empty filling stations. Buying a few litres at a time may be pretty silly, and it's obviously going to make the queues longer and annoy lots of people, but small purchases will have a small impact on stocks. It's the people turning up with empty tanks that are taking most of the fuel and closing the filling stations.
I recall that at one stage we were told that carrying excess weight (in fuel) in a car makes more higher consumption, and as such as worse for the environment. Despite that I normally fuel up to 100% then don't refuel again until I'm down to the last 100 miles indicated range - which on my car in reality is just 70 miles. I am glad I didn't follow the "fuel economy" advice last week, since had I done so I would have been joining the hoards queuing for fuel by now. As it is, I'll be in the queues tomorrow I suspect.

So far as creating an image of shortages, then both are definitely true. Last evening I was driving around Derby (not, I hasten to add, looking for fuel) and only two stations had any. The dry outlets are simply that, dry, but when you see the number of cars and vans queuing the first thought might well be "if I don't join the queue, I might miss out" and that in itself drives topping up, and an impression of shortage too.
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Old 28th Sep 2021, 09:03
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Working conditions are the big disincentive. My brother in law got a HGV3 licence while in the RAF: he did some HGV driving after he came out but gave it up for 9 to 5 job travelling round doing safety inspections on hoists and lifts and gets more money....Not interested in going back to truck driving.
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Old 28th Sep 2021, 11:27
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I guess we all knew HGV drivers had crappy working conditions & pay, seeing them parked up in lay-bys trying to get some sleep etc, but we collectively turned a blind eye. Same goes for many other low-paid professions.
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Old 28th Sep 2021, 11:35
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There is a very simple solution to the fuel shortage….anybody who voted for Brexit should not be allowed to buy any
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Old 28th Sep 2021, 11:37
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People with two or three family cars, including Chelsea tractors, might have been tempted to take turns sending them all out to fill up.
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(Thanks Dave Reid above. I will warn them not to take the car and try for the queue jump and V-Power fill-up!)
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Old 28th Sep 2021, 11:46
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My local Texaco on Sunday Unleaded 139.9 today £148.9
Hope the people filling up remember that after the panic buy is over..
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