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Old 17th Sep 2021, 14:33
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Insulate Britain protestors.

Justifiable actions or just being disruptive?

I was caught up near Leatherhead, Surrey today by this group and they getting a lot of aggro from drivers. One protestor was arguing with a policeman who was trying to move them on that what he was doing was illegal. I assume holding up traffic without good reason is also against the law?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-englan...herts-58558355
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Old 17th Sep 2021, 14:52
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Originally Posted by annakm View Post
Justifiable actions or just being disruptive?

I was caught up near Leatherhead, Surrey today by this group and they getting a lot of aggro from drivers. One protestor was arguing with a policeman who was trying to move them on that what he was doing was illegal. I assume holding up traffic without good reason is also against the law?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-englan...herts-58558355
I suppose that depends on the value assigned to the variable “good”
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Old 17th Sep 2021, 15:16
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Police want to go for a coffee and tell the people held up if they are gone when they get back no problem.

Their names and addresses should be taken and every council should be told to go out and plant a lampost in the middle of the pavement blocking their drives.
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Get a line of lorries to pull up in front of them, rev engines and lean on the horn and see how long they last.
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Police want to go for a coffee and tell the people held up if they are gone when they get back no problem.

Ford Prefect, Arthur Dent and Mr Prosser come to mind ....
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Originally Posted by NutLoose View Post
Police want to go for a coffee and tell the people held up if they are gone when they get back no problem.

Their names and addresses should be taken and every council should be told to go out and plant a lampost in the middle of the pavement blocking their drives.
That would seem an expensive pointless exercise.... I am sure Council Tax could be spent more productively...
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A tree then? or a speed camera, that would generate funds to pay for it and appeal to the knob who's house it is, as its all about green credentials, thus reducing his complaints about being unable to get his car out.

Just hose them down with pink dye or lurid green, then everyone from their work collegues to people in the street will know where they have been.
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Currently running a long term project to remove flammable or untested external building insulation from shops, offices, hotels. hospitals. freehold houses, leasehold properties and anything else.

Kind of shame my operatives canny get to site but others will disagree

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I guess when you're stuck in a traffic jam it's hard to warm to them.
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Originally Posted by NutLoose View Post
A tree then? or a speed camera, that would generate funds to pay for it and appeal to the knob who's house it is, as its all about green credentials, thus reducing his complaints about being unable to get his car out.

Just hose them down with pink dye or lurid green, then everyone from their work collegues to people in the street will know where they have been.
Erm, sorry, but, Pam Ayres is somewhat more accomplished with her poetry offerings.

That said, you do seem to be very antagonistic towards people who exercise their current, before a certain Bill imposes draconian restrictions, right to peaceful protest. Why ?...and no, I wouldn't have liked to be caught up in the jam, but, I would empathise with their right to protest.
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Old 17th Sep 2021, 20:12
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Erm, sorry, but, Pam Ayres is somewhat more accomplished with her poetry offerings.

That said, you do seem to be very antagonistic towards people who exercise their current, before a certain Bill imposes draconian restrictions, right to peaceful protest. Why ?...and no, I wouldn't have liked to be caught up in the jam, but, I would empathise with their right to protest.
What about their illegal actions such as being on foot on a motorway and defacing the road surface by painting on it?
Yes, they have the right to a peaceful protest but they most certainly don't have the right to clearly break the law when making their protest.

Would you be so accommodating if they had invaded your garden and spray painted their logo onto the outside of your house?
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I guess Grenfell Tower and hundreds of other buildings shows what can happen when there is a headlong rush to insulate buildings without proper testing and controls in place first. I’m all for improving insulation as these people want but throwing public money at the problem without sorting out all the issues first doesn’t seem like a good strategy.
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Would you be so accommodating if they had invaded your garden and spray painted their logo onto the outside of your house?
....ummmmm ???? why would they do that?
I'm fairly certain that they are not anti gardens or exterior decoration !!!
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Currently running a long term project to remove flammable or untested external building insulation from shops, offices, hotels. hospitals. freehold houses, leasehold properties and anything else.

Kind of shame my operatives canny get to site but others will disagree
Very commendable employment -
Rather a pity that it will be a very long term enterprise due to the incompetence, indifference and lack of due diligence of those responsible for the installation and maintenance.
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Old 17th Sep 2021, 22:49
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Would you be so accommodating if they had invaded your garden and spray painted their logo onto the outside of your house?
....ummmmm ???? why would they do that?
I'm fairly certain that they are not anti gardens or exterior decoration !!!
No, they are not anti-garden or anti-exterior decoration but then again, neither are they anti-road but this didn't stop them from painting their initials and pouring large quantities of paint on the roads did it?





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But what do they want to insulate Britain from ???
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No, they are not anti-garden or anti-exterior decoration but then again, neither are they anti-road but this didn't stop them from painting their initials and pouring large quantities of paint on the roads did it?

Terrible. Just terrible.

Just look at all that pale blue paint!

For environmental colour pollution, the high viz vests win again.
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I guess Grenfell Tower and hundreds of other buildings shows what can happen when there is a headlong rush to insulate buildings without proper testing and controls in place first. I’m all for improving insulation as these people want but throwing public money at the problem without sorting out all the issues first doesn’t seem like a good strategy.
Wow.

The cladding products were dangerous. And this was known. A woefully inadequate regulatory environment led to Grenville. These people are not arguing for reckless implementation of dangerous products, just that the government does something, after decades of token policy, about the level of energy wastage in the UK housing stock.

There is a big difference between demanding change and adopting nuisance tactics on the one hand, and building and renovating with wanton disregard for people’s‘ safety.

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Wow.

The cladding products were dangerous. And this was known. A woefully inadequate regulatory environment led to Grenville. These people are not arguing for reckless implementation of dangerous products, just that the government does something, after decades of token policy, about the level of energy wastage in the UK housing stock.

There is a big difference between demanding change and adopting nuisance tactics on the one hand, and building and renovating with wanton disregard for people’s‘ safety.
I absolutely agree! My point is that the regulatory issues need to be sorted and the necessary army of competent installers trained in order to get the insulation installed. I don’t think this can be done overnight and it is rather naive of the protestors who seem to think it can.
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I absolutely agree! My point is that the regulatory issues need to be sorted and the necessary army of competent installers trained in order to get the insulation installed. I don’t think this can be done overnight and it is rather naive of the protestors who seem to think it can.
Sirely all they are doing is pushing for action, by means of nuisance direct protest. The actual policies and Programmes for implementation are secondary. The protest is against inaction, not a call for hasty and dangerous action. Grenville was the ugly face of inadequate and corrupt policy and practice. And now we have all these people stuck in houses where the status of their insulation is undetermined. It‘s plain nuts.

The protesters are just challenging, annoyingly, the broader issue of energy wastage.
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