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Old 18th Sep 2021, 09:25
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Reasons for an arrest are IDCOPLAN with the O standing for obstruct a highway. My colleagues soft response to these protesters really annoys me particularly when it is contrasted by the Met's newly adopted robust approach to Extinction Rebellion.
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Old 18th Sep 2021, 09:35
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There’s always the irony that a consequence of any of these green protests, is that traffic ends up either idling or taking longer routes to avoid the hold up, thereby contributing to even further emissions.

As always, one wonders how these objectors arrived at the scene in the first place? Did every single one of them walk or use sustainable transport?

I appreciate this particular one is about insulation, but it’s all about saving the planet.
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Old 18th Sep 2021, 09:43
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1) I don't know much about this, but surely holding up traffic only increases carbon emissions and pollution?

2) It reminds me of a thing I learned once I was in the US and that was sign-waving. We have people on the side of the road protesting about all sorts of things, and even the local police department recently ran a sign-waving event about distracted driving. Unfortunately, it distracted drivers. We also have one or two lunatic politicians who arrange sign-waving events at dangerous intersections because that's where drivers slow down and read the signs. One of those idiots even leaped out into the highway waving their sign about voting for them. It caused a terrible accident.
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Old 18th Sep 2021, 10:38
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Terrible. Just terrible.

Just look at all that pale blue paint!

For environmental colour pollution, the high viz vests win again.

what do you expect from a vicar and a couple of ginger step kids.
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Old 18th Sep 2021, 10:54
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Originally Posted by NutLoose View Post
what do you expect from a vicar and a couple of ginger step kids.
ha ha, good spot.

Can you imagine the dismay of the police in trying to deal with such protesters like this? “Oh bugger, it‘s middle England at prayer. Maybe we can distract them with a current bun and mugs of steaming tea“

“Does a gardening trowel count as a weapon, Sarg?“
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Old 18th Sep 2021, 12:38
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Insulate Britain's protesters? Why? They should insulate themselves! Lying down on the road is particularly silly as that will obviously make them cold without proper insulation.
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Old 18th Sep 2021, 13:29
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I wish they would all go to China to carry out their protests.
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Old 18th Sep 2021, 13:55
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They're supporters of Boris who can't spell - they really mean "Isolate Britain".
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Old 18th Sep 2021, 17:13
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This is just another nuisance created by a bunch of Lefties old enough to know better. Last week it was "save the whale", next week it might be "save the British bluebell from annihilation by the Spanish variant". It doesn't really matter what the pretext might be, it's just an excuse to create disruption and the chaos from which they think their new order might arise.

What really saddens me, however, is that from this cue of traffic stretching to infinity and beyond, only a couple of motorists were sufficiently spirited to remonstrate with the protesters or police. Years ago, those illegally impeding the progress of others on the Queen's highway would have been given a bloody nose for their impudence. Now it seems, thanks to Boris and his cohort, we have become so pathetically submissive that we choose to sit for hours in our cars and do nothing whilst the police provide aid and succour to the law-breakers.

Given the record of the eponymous Dick notionally in charge of the Met, all this seems horribly predictable.


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Old 18th Sep 2021, 17:47
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Originally Posted by Gipsy Queen View Post
This is just another nuisance created by a bunch of Lefties old enough to know better. Last week it was "save the whale", next week it might be "save the British bluebell from annihilation by the Spanish variant". It doesn't really matter what the pretext might be, it's just an excuse to create disruption and the chaos from which they think their new order might arise.

What really saddens me, however, is that from this cue of traffic stretching to infinity and beyond, only a couple of motorists were sufficiently spirited to remonstrate with the protesters or police. Years ago, those illegally impeding the progress of others on the Queen's highway would have been given a bloody nose for their impudence. Now it seems, thanks to Boris and his cohort, we have become so pathetically submissive that we choose to sit for hours in our cars and do nothing whilst the police provide aid and succour to the law-breakers.

Given the record of the eponymous Dick notionally in charge of the Met, all this seems horribly predictable.
Thus giving credence to the term "if you don't understand it, hit it " . Of course, you may also feel unprovoked assault on somebody is perfectly acceptable . This is more often defined as "road rage ".

However, have a read of this article. No doubt you would have turned up at Derby Crown Court to celebrate their unduly harsh sentences.

True, it's about trespass, in the main, but, a certain Bill gets mentioned. A Bill which is intended to suppress a very basic right....the right to protest. This Bill probably meets with your staunch approval and there are certainly others who would be only to happy to see it become law. Also worth mentioning that, as well as insidiously negating a fundamental freedom, this Gov't is adept at pushing legislation through without deeper scrutiny. Now why should that be ?

In case you can't, or won't, accept the reality of this Bill, the ramifications for freedom as we know it in the UK are very disturbing.

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Old 19th Sep 2021, 12:16
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Why does the right to protest trump all other rights?
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Old 19th Sep 2021, 14:54
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Originally Posted by Saintsman View Post
Why does the right to protest trump all other rights?



Left wing protests = usually reported as exercising ones democratic rights.
Right wing protests = usually reported as riots or anarchy.
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Old 19th Sep 2021, 16:51
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Yes, Joe Public has the right to protest but where and how Joe protests may and often does break several laws. A recently invoked law was, 'Conduct likely to cause a breach of the peace', when motorists got upset at being blocked by a load of unemployables and it was the protesters who were threatened with prosecution. Unfortunately such protest groups, when taken to court, have substantial financial backing from a disparity of groups whose common purpose is to de stabilise the UK. The poll tax riots, in London and possibly elsewhere, of the Thatcher era, were anything but spontaneous outbursts of protest, they were organised riots paid and equipped by these groups.

No one should have the right to block a public thoroughfare, be it pedestrian or vehicular, in the pursuance of a protest, if it inconveniences the general public from going about their lawful business, commercial or personal. I think that laws which emphasise this are to be encouraged.
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Old 19th Sep 2021, 17:13
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Simple fix

Name
Address
Driving licence and passport....
Cancelled



both do not fit in with thier ideals.

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Old 19th Sep 2021, 17:29
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Originally Posted by parabellum View Post
Yes, Joe Public has the right to protest but where and how Joe protests may and often does break several laws. A recently invoked law was, 'Conduct likely to cause a breach of the peace', when motorists got upset at being blocked by a load of unemployables and it was the protesters who were threatened with prosecution. Unfortunately such protest groups, when taken to court, have substantial financial backing from a disparity of groups whose common purpose is to de stabilise the UK. The poll tax riots, in London and possibly elsewhere, of the Thatcher era, were anything but spontaneous outbursts of protest, they were organised riots paid and equipped by these groups.

No one should have the right to block a public thoroughfare, be it pedestrian or vehicular, in the pursuance of a protest, if it inconveniences the general public from going about their lawful business, commercial or personal. I think that laws which emphasise this are to be encouraged.
Well don‘t stop there; finish the story! Who are these groups or sponsors who are financing rioters? What means do they have? How many foot soldiers do they have and what do they get paid?

On the Poll tax demo you are absolutely wrong. I know becuase I was there and watched a peaceful demo turn into a scared and distressed mob in minutes. Why? Because the police drove vans at them in a reckless attempt to get to Downing Street (where there was a small militant element determined to cause trouble). This was the catalyst for the disorder that followed. I am quite sure there were those intent on trouble who subsequently went on the rampage. And others who piggy-backed “a night out” But many thousands of completely normal and unpaid people intent on nothing other than peaceful protest were triggered into an angry and fearful response due to the dangerous tactics of the police.

In the immediate aftermath of events getting out of control, the media reports were exclusively of rioters going on the rampage, with no objective coverage of the events whatsoever. Nor was the ITV footage aired, which would have shown the vans being driven at the crowds in Trafalgar Square three times until one senior officer nearly lost his life as he was only in a saloon sandwiched between riot vans. The ITV remote unit had a bird’s eye view of events in Trafalgar Square. I know because I walked past it and saw the monitors. Nor were the true events published in the newspapers.

Eyes wide shut you have parabellum.
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Old 19th Sep 2021, 18:17
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Well you couldn't be more wrong Torquetalk, eyes wide open and present, but not in the 'It's all the police's fault" camp, a group who are present at just about every demo and the fact that the media didn't report it to your liking is your problem, no one else's.



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Old 19th Sep 2021, 18:41
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Originally Posted by parabellum View Post
Well you couldn't be more wrong Torquetalk, eyes wide open and present, but not in the 'It's all the police's fault" camp, a group who are present at just about every demo and the fact that the media didn't report it to your liking is your problem, no one else's.
No it isnít my problem that the media fail to report accurately on events which are of national interest, as the Hillsborough disaster showed. There too, it was clear that the police and media collaborated or omitted to investigate, thus allowing a false narrative to prevail for decades.

I am not in any ďitís all the policeís fault campĒ, if there is one, as thinking in black and white categories is obviously silly. But you are absolutely wrong on the catalyst for the Poll Tax riots as I was there, and watched it happen with mark one eyeball. The event was peaceful (small faction near Downing Street excepted) until the police drove vehicles at a stunned and frightened crowd (of many thousands). That is when it all kicked off.

And not one TV station, radio station or newspaper told it like it happened. Not one. And ITV had a remote unit that filmed the actions of the police from above Trafalgar Square. Had it been aired there would have been a national outcry. But what happened has been erased from the publicís recollection of events.

But I appreciate that the narrative you are persuaded of is much more powerful than a fellow pprunerís eye witness account. You are blinded by dogma and not at all open. Eyes wide shut you have my friend.
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In case you can't, or won't, accept the reality of this Bill, the ramifications for freedom as we know it in the UK are very disturbing.
Oh, but you're wrong KnC. This type of legislation is becoming disturbingly prevalent in Western democracies - I first became aware of it with the frightening Bush/Cheney "Patriot Act" following 9/11; the Statute to which you refer is cast in a similar mould.

This anything-but-Conservative government is behaving in a fashion more ill-liberal and authoritarian than any I have experienced - at least in the UK - and this includes those whose grubby ideologies stem from east of the Baltic. I am amazed to find myself wishing for an effective opposition from the Labour benches to stem this flood of controlling measures which do little beyond confirming the accuracy of old Ben Franklin's aphorism. But the bulk of the people subscribing to your argument and demanding the right of protest conveniently forget that with liberties come responsibilities. Those feeble-minded ban the bomb or whatever cause they are espousing this week people need to understand this. Those sufficiently stupid to glue themselves to the road, together with their associates (some from Extinction Rebellion) summarily should dragged to the side of the road without the benefit of ungluing.

Contrary to your intimation, I am not in the least "anti-demonstration" - this right is an essential tenet of democracy, but I am against a bunch of misguided idealists claiming a spurious moral superiority in justification of their patently illegal behaviour. And I'm equally against a police force which had no difficulty harassing two unfortunate women meeting for a walk in the open air during the first lockdown, permitting a handful of misguided fools to so blatantly breach the relevant provisions of the 1988 Road Traffic Act, causing major disruption to others. Instead of playing social workers, the politicised police force should be made to enforce the law.

Meanwhile, the eponymous Dick has had her contract extended for another couple of years. You couldn't make it up.

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Oh, but you're wrong KnC. This type of legislation is becoming disturbingly prevalent in Western democracies - I first became aware of it with the frightening Bush/Cheney "Patriot Act" following 9/11; the Statute to which you refer is cast in a similar mould.

This anything-but-Conservative government is behaving in a fashion more ill-liberal and authoritarian than any I have experienced - at least in the UK - and this includes those whose grubby ideologies stem from east of the Baltic. I am amazed to find myself wishing for an effective opposition from the Labour benches to stem this flood of controlling measures which do little beyond confirming the accuracy of old Ben Franklin's aphorism. But the bulk of the people subscribing to your argument and demanding the right of protest conveniently forget that with liberties come responsibilities. Those feeble-minded ban the bomb or whatever cause they are espousing this week people need to understand this. Those sufficiently stupid to glue themselves to the road, together with their associates (some from Extinction Rebellion) summarily should dragged to the side of the road without the benefit of ungluing.

Contrary to your intimation, I am not in the least "anti-demonstration" - this right is an essential tenet of democracy, but I am against a bunch of misguided idealists claiming a spurious moral superiority in justification of their patently illegal behaviour. And I'm equally against a police force which had no difficulty harassing two unfortunate women meeting for a walk in the open air during the first lockdown, permitting a handful of misguided fools to so blatantly breach the relevant provisions of the 1988 Road Traffic Act, causing major disruption to others. Instead of playing social workers, the politicised police force should be made to enforce the law.

Meanwhile, the eponymous Dick has had her contract extended for another couple of years. You couldn't make it up.
Well first GQ, nice to read your accurate opinion of the current Gov't and (non) Tory party as I've helpfully underlined above.

But, sadly, there 's a problem with the rest of the mini polemic. For all your best efforts to vindicate yourself, unfortunately, these are negated by subsequent contradictions.

The last line is a classical example of such as is describing the ban the bomb protestors as "feeble minded ". As I 'm against nuclear weapons and proliferation, then I must qualify as such.

However, given some of the autocratic and authoritarian dogma expressed on here, what action would such staunch advocates take, if, for example, a travellers site was to be constructed in their locality ?. Remember, you are all against protests.
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Old 20th Sep 2021, 10:11
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Originally Posted by Krystal n chips View Post
Well first GQ, nice to read your accurate opinion of the current Gov't and (non) Tory party as I've helpfully underlined above.

But, sadly, there 's a problem with the rest of the mini polemic. For all your best efforts to vindicate yourself, unfortunately, these are negated by subsequent contradictions.

The last line is a classical example of such as is describing the ban the bomb protestors as "feeble minded ". As I 'm against nuclear weapons and proliferation, then I must qualify as such.

However, given some of the autocratic and authoritarian dogma expressed on here, what action would such staunch advocates take, if, for example, a travellers site was to be constructed in their locality ?. Remember, you are all against protests.

But generally, the cohort that might end up protesting about travellers sites don’t tend to lie in the roads or daub paint on public property.

I would defend any individuals right to demonstrate, but it’s who and how they target those protests that is the issue.

Common sense would suggest that you will get more support getting people onside and understanding your issue rather than causing maximum disruption which further polarises option.



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