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Old 30th Aug 2021, 08:12
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HMS Vigil

Aired the first of six episodes in the UK last night and I'm sure it will be mildly entertaining but the original premise of a crew member dying of a Heroin overdose being reported from the boat on active duty, I don't think would happen, and then not a Police officer and repacement member of crew being helicoptered out to a RV point and the boat surface mid patrol...

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Old 30th Aug 2021, 08:35
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How realistic was the interior of the sub?
We found the episode just about OK and will watch the next tonight. However the Telegraph gave it only 2 stars whereas the Guardian gave 5 stars (is this a clue?)
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Old 30th Aug 2021, 08:43
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How many coloured Royal Naval Captains {Commanders} are there in real life?
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Old 30th Aug 2021, 08:53
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The problem being that the scripts for all such series relying on finding a nest of vipers full of wrong’uns and the viewers trying to identify the killer from amongst all the misdirection and clues before the denouement.

The problem being that that means they will have to portray the crew of a ballistic missile sub as a den of thieves and uncover, doubtless, bullying, drugs, blackmail, sexual assault and no doubt various other crimes and malfeasance to spice it up.

Which, people being what they are, will lead many viewers to believe that’s what it’s like in the modern Royal Navy.
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Oh dear, oh dear: someone could have done better than slap a 'Royal Navy' sticker on the side of an RAF Sea King

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Old 30th Aug 2021, 09:16
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The problem being that the scripts for all such series relying on finding a nest of vipers full of wrong’uns and the viewers trying to identify the killer from amongst all the misdirection and clues before the denouement.

The problem being that that means they will have to portray the crew of a ballistic missile sub as a den of thieves and uncover, doubtless, bullying, drugs, blackmail, sexual assault and no doubt various other crimes and malfeasance to spice it up.

Which, people being what they are, will lead many viewers to believe that’s what it’s like in the modern Royal Navy.
I hope they don’t watch Line Of Duty if they’re that daft.
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Old 30th Aug 2021, 09:32
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I shall not be watching any more crap about HMS Vigil! Carry on Cruising is more entertaining, I think?
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Old 30th Aug 2021, 09:39
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Oh dear, oh dear: someone could have done better than slap a 'Royal Navy' sticker on the side of an RAF Sea King

https://youtu.be/eWV-j_9FAw4
Only airworthy example in private hands I think, presumably they couldn't use the two ex-Navy ones being used for training at Portland?

Can't be bothered to watch any modern TV drama, it all seems so formulaic...
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Old 30th Aug 2021, 11:29
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Why all be so negative? I for one find an attempt at recreating life in a nuclear sub quite interesting; not a place I have ever been. It would be good to hear from someone who has and can describe the differences without just knocking it. Meanwhile it is something to watch that is surely better than the endless quiz/reality/hospital/property dross?
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There is a piece by a former RN submariner in The Times who says that much of the way life aboard a Trident boat is portrayed is quite accurate.
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Old 30th Aug 2021, 13:59
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I was not sure about it but have to say I thought it was ok. I have been to Faslane and the security was depicted well from what I can remember although I don't recall random Lt Cdrs hanging around the gates...I have been on a smaller sub so it looks accurate enough (for TV) but not sure the control room is quite so big. Let's not forget it is pure fiction so poetic license allowed. Looking forward to the next episode.
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Old 30th Aug 2021, 14:01
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There is a piece by a former RN submariner in The Times who says that much of the way life aboard a Trident boat is portrayed is quite accurate.
And much is not!

The only way I'm going to get through watching all of this is by having a bit of a laugh at it.
Really? - a civilian (albeit copper) allowed to walk around the missile deck spraying an unknown substance on to the Trident tubes?
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Personal knowledge?

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And much is not!
So you have served in a Trident sub and know what is NOT correct. This is the sort of information I was looking for, so please enlighten me so I can learn.

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This is the sort of information I was looking for, so please enlighten me so I can learn.
Don't tell him, Pike !
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Old 30th Aug 2021, 15:38
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Submarine interior sets were, I suspect, a little larger than life. The scene of the unfortunate boat being dragged backwards was quite spectacular, although having drowned crew members below the boat was absurd. I wonder if we will get to see the 'well done and farewell' message from the PM?
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Oh and something else ( spoiler alert ) heroine being allowed to take a mobile on board having first removed the sim card.. so at ( redacted ) cruising depth phone calls can still be made? How about a unlicensed camera on a boomer...
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Originally Posted by Four Turbo View Post

So you have served in a Trident sub and know what is NOT correct. This is the sort of information I was looking for, so please enlighten me so I can learn.
Yes I have. What do you want to know?

(Oh wait, there's a knock at the front door, back in a sec)

. . .

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Old 30th Aug 2021, 18:05
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He’s been away an awful long time…

As for the SeaKing and its RAF Scheme with RN titles, at least they sourced a period helicopter, it could have been a Robinson R44.
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Old 30th Aug 2021, 18:11
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It was certainly a very messed-up hi-line procedure which put her onboard the sub.

(Actually, the action on the heli may have been accurate as far as I know, but the vague waving around of sticks and wires on the sub was horrific to watch, especially leaving the heavy hook unsecured and floating around at head height)

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Old 30th Aug 2021, 18:18
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Pre-retirement I was an aircraft professional and aviation movie inaccuracies often used to annoy me but I eventually realised they're for entertainment, not documentaries. Joe Public doesn't care about artistic licence, which is reasonable enough. Same applies with this effort.
Most American Wild West or British period movies bear no resemblance to the truth but they mostly made good viewing, which is what it's all about. The remade Dunkirk film flying content was cringeworthy, for example, but the release still raked in $525 million. So it was a success, if not an accurate representation. History is fluid, even in modern times.
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