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Geronimo the alpaca

Old 3rd Sep 2021, 08:06
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Something blindly obvious to me seems to be missed by everyone, including the media..

The owners repeated requests for a 3rd TB test were ignored or refused by Defra and the UK government. Their stance being that the previous 2 tests were conclusive even though they were taken 4 years earlier so if the animal was truly infected it would not have continued to live the healthy existance it did.
So it is dragged away and killed. And then they test it for TB??? What? So they know their test is not conclusive at all. But they still refused a test whilst the animal was alive.
What is conclusive is that the decision to kill the animal was made to save face and no other reason. It is disgusting.
I know the owner is in continued talks with medical experts and lawyers so this is far from over and I can see legal challenges ahead?
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Old 3rd Sep 2021, 19:49
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Perhaps but only in terms of property rights. Trawlermen kill thousands of animals in each catch and they're generally healthy ( the fish not the crew). Thing is no one has legal possession a priori in that case. So should she have been deprived of her property is the only question.
Give her fair compensation and she can buy another one.
The concept of an asymptomatic carrier also seems to have gone missing.
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Old 4th Sep 2021, 15:24
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I think it would be fair to do the same to those responsible at DEFRA - including the minister!
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Old 8th Sep 2021, 13:35
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Oh what a surprise.

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/geronimo-a...122113002.html
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Old 8th Sep 2021, 17:09
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Another report says it does have it.

So much for the internet!
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Old 8th Sep 2021, 17:54
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I wonder if they sold the fleece ?
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Old 8th Sep 2021, 19:07
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On this evening's news is a report that preliminary post-mortem findings have shown the animal to be free of TB.

This whole affair has been conducted in a shamefully dishonest manner and if Geronimo's owner seeks to pursue a cowardly administration, I shall contribute substantially to any crowdfunded appeal.
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Old 8th Sep 2021, 21:51
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DEFRA begs to take a different line

There has been widespread media reporting of the post-mortem results of the alpaca Geronimo which has twice tested positive for bovine tuberculosis (TB) using highly accurate tests.

Experienced veterinary pathologists from the Government’s Animal and Plant Health Agency completed the initial post-mortem examination and found a number of TB-like lesions. It is therefore not true to say no signs of TB were found.

A lesion is an area of tissue that has been damaged through disease. In some cases, the microscopic lesions of TB in the affected organs can take a very long time to progress to larger, visible lesions, if at all. It is therefore significant to find these signs.

Chief Veterinary Officer Dr Christine Middlemiss said:
We have completed the initial post-mortem examination of Geronimo.

“A number of TB-like lesions were found and in line with standard practice these are now undergoing further investigation.

“These tests include the developing of bacteriological cultures from tissue samples which usually takes several months - we would expect to complete the full post-mortem and culture process by the end of the year .
Mycobacterium bovis can be cultured (grown) in the laboratory from clinical samples, usually from tissue samples collected post mortem. The culture process takes some time as the bTB bacterium grows slowly. It requires special expertise and safety facilities, which means that culture can only be carried out in specialist laboratories, and it is not always successful even in lab conditions. It is only after growth in the laboratory that the species of Mycobacterium isolated can be identified.
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Old 9th Sep 2021, 07:03
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They have no credible explanation why a third party qualified veterinarian was not allowed to be at the PM as an observer. That alone makes their credibility dubious. Plus the complaints from experts on keeping alpacas about the cruelty involved in taking the animal away.

Thus the whole business stinks of deliberate CYA to protect people (doubtless high up!) in DEFRA: civil servants worrying about maybe not getting their CMG when they retire?
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Old 9th Sep 2021, 16:30
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Is Alpaca meat OK to eat?

32million Peruvians can't be wrong.
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Old 9th Sep 2021, 16:35
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Perhaps the entree after the guinea pig hors d'oeuvres ?
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