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Old 12th Jul 2021, 12:33
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July 19th Covid changes - shambles or what?

It's as clear as mud, you won't be required by law to wear a mask in public places but you should! It seems to be the situation that it is up to the individual to decide, for themselves, whether they feel the need to wear masks. The problem is that the wearing of masks is mainly to protect others so it will boil down to how much folk show consideration for people around them. I suspect that not very much.

The situation is the same for social distancing requirements.

Will you be wearing your mask this time next week? I am still undecided. I would happily give up my mask but may find others still expect me to wear it, tricky. Yesterday we went on an art trail, many of the display areas were in outdoor or semi outdoor situations, ie covered but open at the sides and we were asked in several of them whether we wanted the staff to wear their masks and told they would be OK if we removed ours. One or two of the staff expressed how uncomfortable masks become after wearing them for more than the time taken for a supermarket sweep. In the main everyone we came into proximity with was of an age where they were fully vaccinated as are we.

What do you think?

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Old 12th Jul 2021, 12:57
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Almost everyone has a view on masks but very few of us are qualified to have an informed opinion. It is down to personal circumstances and how you feel on the matter. Your feelings may be based on your knowledge, experience, health circumstances, sense of social responsibility, common sense, political prejudice or plain ignorance.

Put me down as a yes indoors other than in my own home and probably not in socially distanced gatherings outdoors.
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Old 12th Jul 2021, 13:02
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Given that the primary benefit of mask wearing is to protect others I will definitely continue to wear one in shops and public transport, and probably if I'm in a pub or restaurant whilst I am moving around. I will avoid pubs that aren't table service. Given that 50% of infections are apparently asymptomatic it's particularly important in my opinion.

What will be interesting to see is whether large retailers will use staff to enforce heir own corporate rules given that the English government has decided that, as it'll no longer be the law, the police won't be in a position to intervene unless an altercation over mask wearing becomes more serious. That said, when was the last time a police officer apprehended someone for not wearing a face covering?
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Old 12th Jul 2021, 13:23
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I will too, I cannot understand his haste to remove them, they have as they are in Japan, become an accepted norm and everyone but the thickest can see the advantages they bring.


That said, when was the last time a police officer apprehended someone for not wearing a face covering?
Strange isn't it, being told to mask up before entering a bank
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Old 12th Jul 2021, 13:37
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Bearing in mind, one of the exemptions is a rather fluffy, “if wearing a face covering causes you distress” I would think it’s a pretty pointless exercise trying to police it.
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Old 12th Jul 2021, 13:40
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At present many people ignore the shop signs 'Please wear a mask', and there is no attempt to enforce this. I will still wear a mask in supermarkets and avoid public transport (fortunately my lifestyle means I can). There is some protection from aerosol particles, although they are most effective in reducing virus ambient density by limiting particles exhaled. If I had to use public transport, or be in an indoor setting where maintaining social distancing, I would wear an FFP3 mask. Once cases detected are down in the the low dozens nationally, I'm content (as double vaccinated and probably had a booster for mutations by then) to relax.
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Old 12th Jul 2021, 13:59
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It is all about freedom.
The freedom to make poor choices, poor decisions, the occasional good one etc etc.
It is not about public health, that requires rules and regulations to protect each other.
We are to use our own decision making to protect each other.
However, remember that if we rely on average intelligence, a good number of people will be below that line.

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Old 12th Jul 2021, 14:07
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Originally Posted by Grayfly View Post
It is all about freedom.
The freedom to make poor choices, poor decisions, the occasional good one etc etc.
It is not about public health, that requires rules and regulations to protect each other.
We are to use our own decision making to protect each other.
However, remember that if we rely on average intelligence, a good number of people will be below that line.
Other poor choices include smoking, speeding, and jumping red lights as well as taking illegal drugs. Not wearing a face covering is another poor choice and really ought tor emain a statutory requirement, for now at least. It really doesn't matter whether the plod can be bothered to enforce the law, most people are law abiding and when told something is a legal requirement will do their best to comply.

The wishy-washy terminology of the government doesn't give that clear message to the public.
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Old 12th Jul 2021, 14:10
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Originally Posted by Grayfly View Post
It is all about freedom.
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However, remember that if we rely on average intelligence, a good number of people will be below that line.
About half of them and the average isn't great. Common sense is in even shorter supply.
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Old 12th Jul 2021, 14:14
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I'm always amused when politicians say things like,

"The British people are more than capable of seeing when mask wearing is important and therefore appropriate."

The significant minority are selfish [email protected] who will do whatever they want; and many of those are as thick as mince too. As a result, they don't get when Boris and his mates are mocking them on live tv.

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Old 12th Jul 2021, 14:29
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Originally Posted by charliegolf View Post
The significant minority are selfish [email protected] who will do whatever they want; and many of those are as thick as mince too
Are you talking about the British people . . .

. . . or the British government
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Old 12th Jul 2021, 14:31
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Given how masks have completely crushed the Delta variant, that seems fair enough.
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Old 12th Jul 2021, 14:42
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I'm struggling to remember any occasions prior to the pandemic where the government thought it was somehow a good idea to pass legislation and then issue often contradictory "guidance" that then confuses the h*ll out of everyone.
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Old 12th Jul 2021, 15:19
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Originally Posted by Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaargh! View Post
Are you talking about the British people . . .

. . . or the British government
I'd have thought the latter to be self-evident!

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Old 12th Jul 2021, 16:10
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Well, stand by for the next social confrontation.

It seems that most on this thread regard mask-wearing as a courtesy to others. Why should this be so? Such courtesies have never before been extended to potential victims of Sars, flu, measles, hepatitis, ebola, mumps, diphtheria, HIV/Aids or any of the myriad viral contagions which have attended human life for centuries. What is different now, other than the government having conjured a stable society into a flock of lobotomised sheep? Frankly, I consider those who feel the need for protection from others by wearing masks should continue to wear them, hide under the bed, behind the sofa or do whatever makes them feel good, but to continue to impose this dehumanising device of questionable medical efficacy upon the bulk of the populace is not acceptable.

Of course, such a view will foment the outrage of the holier than thou determined to preach their pious sanctimony and impose their prejudices upon the rest of us, so the next confrontations will be between these Pharisaic Gauleiters and those who would like to return to some semblance of normality and, hopefully, the degree of sanity which should accompany it.
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Old 12th Jul 2021, 16:33
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Originally Posted by Gipsy Queen View Post
.............. Such courtesies have never before been extended to potential victims of Sars, flu, measles, hepatitis, ebola, mumps, diphtheria, HIV/Aids or any of the myriad viral contagions which have attended human life for centuries. ...............
You may wish to reconsider that list. Some of those diseases are indeed endemic now but if they were new, they would create a similar reaction to Covid as there would be little immunity and they would wipe out whole populations (e.g. early contact by Europeans and native peoples). SARs created a huge reaction to stop it before it could spread too far and as a result was largely confined to the Orient. If a version of flu with the same impact as Covid, or worse arose (entirely feasible), we would react.as we did now, it was the epidemic the govt planned for. Mumps and diptheria are now fortunately easily controlled using vaccination and treatment as we do for Covid, If you think we overreacted to Covid, wait until Ebola gets loose! Look at the effort that was thrown into containing it to Africa. HIV and AIDS - remember the don't die of ignorance campaign and the Gay Plague headlines and the transmission was far from airborne.

In short, you don't really know what you are talking about from a medical perspective. Your views, right or wrong, are purely political.

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Old 12th Jul 2021, 17:52
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Originally Posted by Gipsy Queen View Post
Well, stand by for the next social confrontation.

It seems that most on this thread regard mask-wearing as a courtesy to others. Why should this be so? Such courtesies have never before been extended to potential victims of Sars, flu, measles, hepatitis, ebola, mumps, diphtheria, HIV/Aids or any of the myriad viral contagions which have attended human life for centuries. What is different now, other than the government having conjured a stable society into a flock of lobotomised sheep? Frankly, I consider those who feel the need for protection from others by wearing masks should continue to wear them, hide under the bed, behind the sofa or do whatever makes them feel good, but to continue to impose this dehumanising device of questionable medical efficacy upon the bulk of the populace is not acceptable.

Of course, such a view will foment the outrage of the holier than thou determined to preach their pious sanctimony and impose their prejudices upon the rest of us, so the next confrontations will be between these Pharisaic Gauleiters and those who would like to return to some semblance of normality and, hopefully, the degree of sanity which should accompany it.
Well there's an unexpected revelation. Nobody would ever have known you had the ability for introspection let alone analyse the results so accurately.!

Why do you feel wearing a mask is "dehumanising "?...does it prevent the public from adoring your good looks and impedes them from listening to your pearls of wisdom by any chance ?. After all, if medical professionals can wear them, and have been for how many years ?, then possibly there may be a very valid reason which has escaped you for doing so.

More bad news. Normality, as you term it, or more accurately, life pre Covid isn't going to return no matter how much you pine for it

. Covid, and the secondary effects. such as mass events, extensive NHS waiting lists, through no fault of the professionalism of the medical personnel in the organisation you termed " a national disgrace " to mention another aspect, travel, you name any aspect of life and it's been changed, maybe not for ever, but most certainly for a very long time to come.

Whatever rarefied world you seem to think you live in, I get the impression, that, until the paramedics arrive one day, you benefit from their skills, thence to A & E, where you benefit further, thence to specialist care, then the reality of medical professionals life will never register with you.

As there's no space under the bed, I'll have to sleep on top it seems, not that I ever intended to sleep under it. !
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Old 12th Jul 2021, 19:03
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Despite the door being thrown open, I'm going to continue with masks and mixing policy, I don't relish being a stats figure at my age even though I've had both vaccinations. I suspect we'll see a huge infection surge in the '30s and under age group if Sunday's irresponsible and indicative behaviour (by some) at Wembley is anything to go by.
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Old 12th Jul 2021, 19:11
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Yet again during this pandemic, today I heard Boris express in such terms as expectation and urging. I will admit that he did go as far as 'recommendation'. Still not enough.

Again, I think of the contrast between the government's wishy-washyness (sp?) and the deadly, simple clarity of the virus's action. Is the lesson of the past 16 months too simple or too uncomfortable to accept?

I heard a health expert on LBC state that the current strategy is herd immunity in all but name. Allow for a significant rise in infections amongst unvaccinated children and young adults, under the argument that it's better to relax restrictions now rather than in the Autumn, when cooler weather will aid the virus and schools will be open. All of which avoids the idea of waiting a while longer, so that more vaccinations can be done.

The virus has thus far been our teacher and it looks likely to remain so.
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Old 12th Jul 2021, 19:29
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A significant proportion of the population are now free and probably willing to get into the Darwin awards with these changes. It’s a shame that the best defence is others following the new recommendations rather than your own compliance. However, at some point restrictions have to be relaxed to proceed to herd immunity and I suspect the government and advisors believe we are getting to the limit of compliance with legislation and that on balance this is the least worse option
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