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Old 20th Apr 2021, 13:12
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UK prepares to set out steeper climate targets

"Emissions from international aviation and shipping are likely to be included in the new UK target, according to people familiar with the government’s plans, representing a major victory for environmental groups."

What are people's thoughts on the future of commercial aviation? Are we looking at the end of mass air travel in a net-zero economy?

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Old 20th Apr 2021, 14:43
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I've got a bad feeling that the UK govt is going to go in all guns blazing to meet this target and kill off commercial aviation in the process.

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Old 20th Apr 2021, 14:50
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I very much doubt it! They would be shooting themselves in the foot if they did!
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Old 20th Apr 2021, 14:54
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Well,they haven’t exactly covered themselves in glory so far have they? If you were on the outside looking in, I’d say an observer might think the UK govt are going all out to prove their green credentials and reduce greenhouse emissions. I wouldn’t be surprised to hear later that various decision makers in UK govt have commercial interests in the companies that will benefit from such policies .
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Old 20th Apr 2021, 15:14
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I think we will see an enormous reduction in commercial aviation worldwide over the next couple of decades, unless of course the manufacturers can get on board with the inevitable change in public sentiment and develop a much more sustainable form of propulsion.

Aviation will continue to be an important industry for sure, but I think we either have 'peaked', or are very close to reaching the peak of commercial aviation activity shortly if the pandemic allows. Moving forwards the commercial aviation bias will inevitably skew towards long-haul, with sustainable electric-powered high-speed rail becoming the norm for short-haul journeys in much of the developed world.
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I would love to see UK government eliminating interantional shipping.
Like ban all ships to anchor in English ports.

Cannot wait for this to happen.
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Old 20th Apr 2021, 15:20
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Originally Posted by SotonFlightpath View Post
sustainable electric-powered high-speed rail becoming the norm for short-haul journeys in much of the developed world.
So you think European short-haul airlines will eventually become obsolete?
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Old 20th Apr 2021, 15:53
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Perhaps it might be better to tackle the construction industry before restricting aviation and shipping.
https://environmentjournal.online/ar...ighest-levels/
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Old 20th Apr 2021, 16:02
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The pandemic has allowed them to implement this as a policy via the backdoor. It is exactly the same as the introduction of the Low Traffic Neighbourhoods which has been done around the country with zero public consultation as part of 'covid security measures'.

The pandemic has been an opportunity to get far nearer their goal with minimal effort as co2 from aviation must be down 80% year-on-year. Whilst it would be nice to think that they are just temporary measures, the policy of multiple tests for passengers arriving from 'green' countries to me demonstrates that they have zero toleration for aviation anymore. Covid is most likely going to be with us as a species for the medium to long term. Apart from testing getting slightly cheaper, with this carbon policy, where is the impetus to reduce barriers to travel once they've been established? It's effectively a stealth green tax as it will have an entirely negligible affect on covid rates. Charging passengers coming in from the likes of NZ an extra 200 is insane. Damaging the UK aviation sector on purpose and promoting domestic tourism, the green agenda seems like the obvious explaination.

I don't necessarily disagree with bringing co2 targets forward as a policy, but if you haven't worked out that the green agenda is the greatest threat to aviation has ever faced, then you're deluded.
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Old 20th Apr 2021, 17:06
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I very much doubt it! They would be shooting themselves in the foot if they did!
The woman Boris is currently banging wants it, so, they'll line up both feet.

Complete mentalists in charge right now. The UK is dead with the current Government, the opposition and the public sector as it is.

Edit to add 'currently' because, you know, its Boris.
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Old 20th Apr 2021, 22:53
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I thought that I saw suggestions about limiting domestic heating, and that it has to be changed over to heat pumps and electricity - AT THE HOMEOWNERS expense. A real vote winner.....and probably a real pensioner 'freeze to death' move. But anything that kills off pensioners means less outgoings for the government.....
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Old 21st Apr 2021, 06:42
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Perhaps shipping should go back to sails and oars, but use of oars would be historically offensive.
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Old 21st Apr 2021, 07:28
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We declared a Climate Emergency and had citizens assemblies as demanded by ER a few years back. F..book was awash with solutions and real science. Did that not fix it?

Perhaps we need actual expert advice.
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Old 21st Apr 2021, 10:51
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Norwegian Green Party proposes limits on how many flights a person may take each year
https://simpleflying.com/norway-green-party-flight-cap/

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Old 21st Apr 2021, 16:40
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You may end up with a carbon allotment for individual's to use at their discretion, and once used up you are on your bike or shanks pony. On the other hand it could be yet another Boris sound bite, which he has no intention of following through, as he will not be in charge, just like Cameron and Brexit .
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Old 22nd Apr 2021, 12:15
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Changing energy source is always possible by technological means. What cannot be changed is the amount of energy required. To move to energy sources that don't involve oil based fuels will require the expansion of land use - dams, for hydro-electric, clear space for wind farms, photo-electricity or reflected sunlight and so on. What we will get in changing our energy sources may be less carbon dioxide emissions but there will still be environmental damage. The question is, which will have the least detrimental effect on the planet and our climate?.
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Old 22nd Apr 2021, 12:20
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Not to mention nuclear. Apparently France gets 75% of its electrical power from nuclear. I was always sympathetic to all thus climate change angst but that was only on the basis that it wouldn't inconvenience me.
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Old 22nd Apr 2021, 15:23
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Mr Optimistic, unfortunately France's nuclear power is in decline. 14 of the 58 reactors now running will be shutdown by 2035. Nothing to do with greenness, mostly age.
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Old 22nd Apr 2021, 15:49
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There is nothing wrong with trying to reduce emissions. In theory at least.

The trouble is that it needs everyone on the planet to be on the same page. If the majority of the world is not reducing emissions, then in effect the people who are doing their part will feel penalised and will soon lose interest.

Besides, the root of the problem is not aviation, shipping or motoring, its population. There are / will be just too many people to sustain.
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Old 22nd Apr 2021, 17:25
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Stop mentioning the Elephant in the room, nobody wants to hear, as that is far more difficult than taxing 4x4, air travel, shipping what ever. I totally agree with you, and I do not have any children. No objection to them, but neither of us wanted them enough to go about it, though practicing always is fun On a more serious note it really is the problem that needs to be addressed as the population growth v resource will become a very big issue in the next couple of 100 years.
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