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Old 31st May 2021, 10:20
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Very relevant, Haraka, thank you! There are a bunch of videos attempting to debunk the recent UFO videos that have been released recently and they are worth watching. As for the latest one with the object entering the ocean, it looks more like a mid-infrared camera detecting the heat from the engine/s of a jet going over the horizon. You even see that little refraction effect you can often see as the light goes through different layers of the atmosphere. It's not uncommon to see bits of the sun again just after it sets as long as you have a clear horizon and different temperature layers in the atmosphere.

Unfortunately, I don't have a good link to the ocean-entering UFO, the ones I've seen are from the media and I'm not going to waste my time taking out the sensationalism, so if someone has a good link to a video of the event, please post it. As for the triangular objects, why did they have lights flashing just like beacons and lights on regular aircraft? As for the triangular shape, I would expect that with out-of-focus optics that have trefoil.

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Old 31st May 2021, 13:52
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Note that at around the 2:40 mark they start talking about objects moving at several hundred knots underwater. Then they move to objects moving at the speed of light but it's been ignored because of a technical aberration or to put it another way, "a data malfunction".
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Old 12th Jun 2021, 09:48
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All bases that store nuclear weapons have had a visit I believe.

Mankind has the tools to destroy the world. A much greater power will not allow mankind to make the call, when (not if) it will be destroyed.
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Old 12th Jun 2021, 10:39
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All bases that store nuclear weapons have had a visit I believe.

Mankind has the tools to destroy the world. A much greater power will not allow mankind to make the call, when (not if) it will be destroyed.
Of course you have a reliable source for both those statements or is it just an article of faith?
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Old 12th Jun 2021, 11:09
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No Ii don't have the proof.

Do you have proof governments are telling us the truth?
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Old 12th Jun 2021, 12:04
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No Ii don't have the proof.

Do you have proof governments are telling us the truth?
What do you think all the governments of the world have agreed to hide from you?
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Old 12th Jun 2021, 12:08
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Hok ; No, it was BBC TV. Circa late 50's or early 60's. I saw it as a kid. Jaw dropped, sisters took cover, Mummy told us three to stop being silly.
Quatermass and the Pit perhaps ?
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Old 12th Jun 2021, 14:21
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Quatermass and the Pit perhaps ?
That was scary. I watched it again only a few years ago and it was pretty gripping.

What do you think all the governments of the world have agreed to hide from you?
If there are 'others' either visiting or living on, in or under the Earth and way ahead of us technologically and physically and this has been confirmed by various governments around the world, it would be in their interest to keep it at a very discrete level. Religions and faith in God might suffer a huge crisis which would destabilise and initiate social disorder on a grand scale, stock markets would crash, currencies would be seen in Emperor's Clothes terms and the fear of the unknown and identity would ravage Homo Sapiens everywhere. Apart from that, not a lot ;-)

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Old 12th Jun 2021, 15:03
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Originally Posted by SpringHeeledJack View Post
That was scary. I watched it again only a few years ago and it was pretty gripping.



If there are 'others' either visiting or living on, in or under the Earth and way ahead of us technologically and physically and this has been confirmed by various governments around the world, it would be in their interest to keep it at a very discrete level. Religions and faith in God might suffer a huge crisis which would destabilise and initiate social disorder on a grand scale, stock markets would crash, currencies would be seen in Emperor's Clothes terms and the fear of the unknown and identity would ravage Homo Sapiens everywhere. Apart from that, not a lot ;-)
Whatever you are smoking, it is good stuff. Just sit down with a cold beer and think about the likelinood of that happening on a global scale and it staying quiet.
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Old 12th Jun 2021, 15:41
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The only stocks affected will be aluminium commodities and tin foil manufacturers. Buy now I say. 🙄😜
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Old 12th Jun 2021, 15:56
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Whatever you are smoking, it is good stuff. Just sit down with a cold beer and think about the likelinood of that happening on a global scale and it staying quiet.
Sober as a judge squire!

If, and it is an if, there are non-earthlings in small numbers scattered around the planet, it would be relatively easy to keep things controlled. There have been various alleged whistle-blowers over the years since the late 40's and they've either been considered as deranged nut jobs, possibly/partially correct in their recollections and some have been well respected scientists risking career and legacy to say what they felt needed saying. Some have died in unusual circumstance in the period after discussing protected information, either through chance, hounding or possibly silencing. Despite these blabbers blabbing, in general I'd say that there isn't much mainstream interest in these matters outside of Sci-Fi genres and fringe enthusiasts, so that in itself is a control mechanism through indifference. We're all way too distracted by distractions these days and concerned with the latest happenings from our favourite politician, actor, influencer etc.

I keep an open mind on such matters and to proclaim that there are or aren't other sentient beings 'out there' who might have visited Earth is foolish. Over my years travelling I have witnessed now and again things that I just can't explain after going through other more likely possibilities and being a self-proclaimed pretty decent observer of aerial things. Some of it could've been secret military tech, but some of the observed just didn't seem right. Who knows ?


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Old 12th Jun 2021, 21:50
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Originally Posted by RichardJones View Post
Mankind has the tools to destroy the world. A much greater power will not allow mankind to make the call, when (not if) it will be destroyed.
I don't agree with that statement.
Mankind might have the tools to destroy itself and a large majority of other life on the planet but not the planet itself.
Even if there was a global nuclear war with massive fallout and a nuclear winter following this, give it a few thousand years and the planet would recover and would probably end up in a far better condition than it currently is.
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Old 13th Jun 2021, 06:21
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Agree with the above, we always look at the Earth as ours, when in fact we're just like fleas on a dog's back.

Destroying the planet just means destroying our ability to live on the planet, totally self-interested, but perhaps understandable as the survival instinct is strong. There is evidence to suggest that very approximately every 12,000 years our sun sends out a Coronal Mass Ejection that hits Earth at some points wiping out a good proportion of life, yet things recover. The last big one was in the 1800's, I think it was called the 'Carrington Event'. A larger one missed the Earth in the early 2000's, so whilst not imminently dangerous, the risk is there.

If the Earth were to be 'destroyed' within a relatively short time period (1000's of years) the planet would no doubt be re-seeded with microbes found within meteorites. The theory of Pan-Spermia at work. Maybe it will be like in 'The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy' where the new Earth will have only estate agents and insurance salesmen, management consultants courtesy of the Golgafinchams ;-)

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Old 13th Jun 2021, 07:01
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People believe in things they want to believe, it must give comfort in some way. Magic, witches, astrology, Everton may one day win the Premiership. So not surprising some discount science and hope for an alternative reality, the word 'alternative ' renders 'reality' to 'fiction'. Just because we deliberately mislead ourselves doesn't mean it's a bad thing, providing at some level we realise we are just wrong and don't harm ourselves in the process eg by buying a season ticket for Goodison.

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Old 13th Jun 2021, 11:23
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"There have been various alleged whistle-blowers over the years since the late 40's and they've either been considered as deranged nut jobs, possibly/partially correct in their recollections and some have been well respected scientists risking career and legacy to say what they felt needed saying. Some have died in unusual circumstance in the period after discussing protected information, either through chance, hounding or possibly silencing."

Any chance of providing some examples?
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Old 13th Jun 2021, 11:35
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Perhaps SHJ is thinking of something like this ...
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Old 13th Jun 2021, 11:49
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Originally Posted by Mr Optimistic View Post
People believe in things they want to believe, it must give comfort in some way. Magic, witches, astrology, Everton may one day win the Premiership. So not surprising some discount science and hope for an alternative reality, the word 'alternative ' renders 'reality' to 'fiction'. Just because we deliberately mislead ourselves doesn't mean it's a bad thing, providing at some level we realise we are just wrong and don't harm ourselves in the process eg by buying a season ticket for Goodison.
I put my faith in critical thinking - is that a contradiction? I have seen things i cannot explain but so far have not felt the need to reach for LGM who have conquered the light barrier, broken the local laws of Physics and then managed to communicate successfully with various governments in order to keep quiet about it. It may be possible but the likelihood is vanishingly small when you think about all the tiny holes that would have had to line up in heavens knows how many swiss cheeses to make it possible. You either chose to sit back and say "it's LGM and a global cospiracy" or you can chose to investgate UAP properly. Who knows - it might turn out to be LGM after all but I suspect the answers might be serveral and far more prosaic.
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Old 13th Jun 2021, 11:56
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Originally Posted by Cpt_Pugwash View Post
Perhaps SHJ is thinking of something like this ...
I won't presume to say what someone else is thinking, but that link doesn't seem to have much to do with extraterrestrials.
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Old 13th Jun 2021, 12:05
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Originally Posted by Ninthace View Post
I put my faith in critical thinking - is that a contradiction? I have seen things i cannot explain but so far have not felt the need to reach for LGM who have conquered the light barrier, broken the local laws of Physics and then managed to communicate successfully with various governments in order to keep quiet about it. It may be possible but the likelihood is vanishingly small when you think about all the tiny holes that would have had to line up in heavens knows how many swiss cheeses to make it possible. You either chose to sit back and say "it's LGM and a global cospiracy" or you can chose to investgate UAP properly. Who knows - it might turn out to be LGM after all but I suspect the answers might be serveral and far more prosaic.
Who or what has conquered the light barrier? What are the local laws of physics compared to the universal laws of physics? What are these various governments? If they are keeping it secret how do you know about them? What are these tiny holes?
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Old 13th Jun 2021, 12:14
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Originally Posted by Hokulea View Post
I won't presume to say what someone else is thinking, but that link doesn't seem to have much to do with extraterrestrials.
I was merely thinking about the " respected scientists risking career and legacy to say what they felt needed saying. Some have died in unusual circumstances " :-)
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