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Old 14th Apr 2021, 14:07
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There was a railway company in Vancouver which had its terminus in the city centre. In the 1920,s they retrenched and abandoned the route from their new terminus which was a freight yard several miles out of town. Time passed and Vancouver expanded and houses were built and gardens expanded pools built etc. In the early 70, the railway announced its return and that it was building a spur to connect with Canadian Pacific. Under Canadian law the railway retained its right of way even when not being used. Therefore train and tracks returned with weed killer trains playing havoc with gardens. Also as anybody who has been in North America knows freight trains are generally some what bigger than those elsewhere with the one that plied through the neighbourhood at 25mph at 03.00 being the one causing the mot issues 😆 I was told this by one of my wifeís colleagues when she worked out of Vancouver, his rendition of the tale was more funnier than my description as to what the railroad return did to the area.
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Old 14th Apr 2021, 14:25
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An elderly couple from somewhere in N America were crossing the scenic bridge between Eton and Windsor. A number of planes go over there per 20 minutes in normal times.

Lady to Man. "Why did the Queen build her castle under he flight path?"
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Old 14th Apr 2021, 14:28
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Reference Vancouver - seems it was haggling about price for the land. The railway wanted full value, the city offered the price for green space and they spent a decade haggling....

https://www.vancouverisawesome.com/c...rridor-2983596

https://thetyee.ca/Opinion/2014/08/1...utus-Corridor/


https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/arbu...ign-april-2018

https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/1595...butus-greenway

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Old 14th Apr 2021, 15:03
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Reference Vancouver - seems it was haggling about price for the land. The railway wanted full value, the city offered the price for green space and they spent a decade haggling....

https://www.vancouverisawesome.com/c...rridor-2983596

https://thetyee.ca/Opinion/2014/08/1...utus-Corridor/


https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/arbu...ign-april-2018

https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/1595...butus-greenway
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That has to be another one as the PGE /CP Rail was back in 1960/70 and was used by freight traffic according to my wifeís colleague though there is a similarity about both actions.
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Old 14th Apr 2021, 15:05
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This one made me chortle from 2007, guess where he used to work, ex EMA SATCO...

BBC NEWS | UK | England | Derbyshire | Airport's noise complaints soar

East Midlands Airport (EMA) has received almost 8,000 complaints in the past year - most from just five people worried about noise, the airport said. Complaints about the airport rose from 4,500 in 2005 to 7,978 in 2006, with almost 60% of last year's complaints generated by a few local residents.

An EMA spokesman said all complaints were taken seriously by the airport.

The spokesman added that fines and surcharges of £42,000 were imposed last year on airlines who broke noise rules.

'Genuine' complaints

"I know the individuals in question and I think they are genuinely concerned about aircraft noise and make complaints," said Neil Robinson, EMA's environment manager.

"The airport treats those complaints very seriously and professionally."

Retired air traffic controller, David Coulson, said he was methodical about registering his complaints.

"Every time I'm disturbed, I note the time down, that's it. It works out at about 150 to 200 times a month."

Mr Robinson said part of the increase in complaints was due to a change in the reporting system.

People are now able to record multiple complaints in one phone call, rather than having to call in several times.
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Old 14th Apr 2021, 16:20
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As a former planning commissioner (in the US), we had this maxim: "Never build on the banks of something called Dry Creek".

When my wife and I first visited London (1970?) we were watching the changing of the guard when a young lady approached us and asked if we would like a free lunch, if we would only listen to a sales pitch for land. I asked where the land was, and she replied "29 Palms, in California". I told her that I was familiar with that land, which was flat desert marked with chalk lines for the tiny lots. No water. No electricitity. No services of any kind.
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Old 14th Apr 2021, 21:27
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There have been several complaints in the local Fbook groups recently. We have had an early Spring but over last weekend we had frost. The complaints were that helicopters had been flying low over the cherry orchards from 5am to 8 am to keep the frost off the blossoms.

On complainer asked why the helicopters couldn't start after nine o'clock as they were disturbing her sleep.
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Old 14th Apr 2021, 22:58
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Originally Posted by Ancient Observer View Post
An elderly couple from somewhere in N America were crossing the scenic bridge between Eton and Windsor. A number of planes go over there per 20 minutes in normal times.

Lady to Man. "Why did the Queen build her castle under he flight path?"
I have an ex-colleague who took his young son out to Warwick Castle some years ago and opposite them on the train home were a couple of overseas visitors clutching souvenirs and literature from the castle. Being polite, my old pal said," I see you've been to Warwick Castle, did you enjoy it?"

"Yeah, it was OK, but you know what? It's kinda old for a visitor attraction."
He ordered a beer the next time the buffet trolley came round, hang the price!

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Old 14th Apr 2021, 23:49
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And then of course there's the train in Hanoi:

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Old 14th Apr 2021, 23:59
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Originally Posted by lomapaseo View Post
They haven't asked for the planes to fly below a speed of 100kts have they?
Itís when the speed drops to zero that thereís a real problem.
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Old 15th Apr 2021, 00:06
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Santa Monica airport, near Los Angeles, California, is about to be closed down due to noise complaints from residents who moved there fully aware of the proximity of the airport. The Santa Monica Council have supported the complainants, and claim that they will create a "green space" recreational area for public enjoyment. Yeah ! Right ! watch the proliferation of multi storey apartment blocks paying the Council $millions in rent. Cynic ? Moi ?
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Old 15th Apr 2021, 05:35
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This one made me chortle from 2007, guess where he used to work, ex EMA SATCO...

BBC NEWS | UK | England | Derbyshire | Airport's noise complaints soar
He's not alone here. A good few years ago, there used to be regular articles in the M.E,N about noise abatement at MAN....the most prominent of which came from ?.....a former BA 1-11 driver !

On the subject of noise, enter two outstanding citizens of Birmingham. Given the M6 had been constructed some considerable time before they bought their properties adjacent to it, although maybe it was closed when they viewed them....you never know, their stalwart efforts to reduce noise took some beating. They featured on a programme about the M6 as they had invested quite a not inconsiderable amount of time, effort and money in acquiring a range of hi-tech measuring equipment which they deployed to zealously support their , ahem, perceived complaint.

I actually, almost, felt sorry for "Highways England " here who did their level best to alleviate the concerns of this pair.

After all, who would ever have known overnight road surface maintenance on the M6 would produce noise !

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Old 15th Apr 2021, 10:03
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Airport at which I did some flying was opened in 1949 and way out in the sticks from the city, only locals were a golf club on one boundary and a chook farm very close by. Come the suburbs and noise complaints it was said the airport manager would invite the complainant to a meeting, where upon complainant could relate his tale of whoa while scoffing tea, cake and biscuits. At some juncture the complainant would be asked to point out his place of residence on a very large aerial survey photograph taken in the very distant past that was hanging on the wall. Concluding comments were never related, but one could let the imagination roam free.
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Old 15th Apr 2021, 10:12
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Have a look at what is being built at Shoreham right now!
No longer in that part of the world PV1 tho flew into the airport quite frequently with Studes but never noticed anything untoward - apart from the river! However, just taken me 2-3 mins to find something about a £24M flood defence project (2019) before(!) building houses there + articles on "severe flooding" in 2013 and a Flooding Map showing "High Risk" areas all along the rivers. Mmmmm, I see what you mean! What could possibly go wrong there?!

Re the case I tumbled at the IHE, I almost got the impression it was a whole con job simply designed to extract deposit money rather than forming a serious building scheme. The plots were sold without planning ("Oh, you have to apply for that yourself - but that's not a problem, just a formality once you have selected a design, Sir" - yeh, right!!!!) and the 3-man "moving wall" was so slick in it's execution that it was clearly a pre-planned tactic - presumably knowing H 'n' H would be along to cause trouble at some point. Even just on the planning status I could not believe that couple were going to hand over a Deposit then and there.
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Old 15th Apr 2021, 10:29
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And then of course there's the train in Hanoi:.....
Or this one .... I just love the old dear shooing the "idiot tourists" off the line. Looking at how it passes over the veg for sale, one hope the toilet facilities were, ahem, "closed cycle"!!!! Seems still going in 2019!

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Old 15th Apr 2021, 13:02
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Or this one .... I just love the old dear shooing the "idiot tourists" off the line. Looking at how it passes over the veg for sale, one hope the toilet facilities were, ahem, "closed cycle"!!!! Seems still going in 2019!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dsi_ItK-j30
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I was there this Spring on business and still the same you will be glad to hear.No closed cycles on local trains 🤣
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Old 15th Apr 2021, 14:19
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I was there this Spring on business and still the same you will be glad to hear.No closed cycles on local trains 🤣
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Cheers Mr Mac! I suspected as much! Amazing how some places don't change and also how the people in such places are often the nicest and most warm-hearted and seem immune to what would slay a European/American and place them in Intensive Care for a month. It says a lot about "our" so-called "civilised world". And, as I said to my then wife when she found some lacewing-type creature in her veg in a local Bangkok street eatery a few years ago (as in no foreigners, no English menu - just lots of pointing at what the locals were eating and winging it (ooops, excuse the pun!)), "It's cooked! Probably the safest thing on the plate. Was prolly flying around less than 5 minutes ago! Now, you can't get fresher than that!". She gave me yet another of "those" looks IIR!
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Old 15th Apr 2021, 15:52
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No longer in that part of the world PV1 tho flew into the airport quite frequently with Studes but never noticed anything untoward - apart from the river! However, just taken me 2-3 mins to find something about a £24M flood defence project (2019) before(!) building houses there + articles on "severe flooding" in 2013 and a Flooding Map showing "High Risk" areas all along the rivers. Mmmmm, I see what you mean! What could possibly go wrong there?!

Re the case I tumbled at the IHE, I almost got the impression it was a whole con job simply designed to extract deposit money rather than forming a serious building scheme. The plots were sold without planning ("Oh, you have to apply for that yourself - but that's not a problem, just a formality once you have selected a design, Sir" - yeh, right!!!!) and the 3-man "moving wall" was so slick in it's execution that it was clearly a pre-planned tactic - presumably knowing H 'n' H would be along to cause trouble at some point. Even just on the planning status I could not believe that couple were going to hand over a Deposit then and there.
This is right up to the Airport boundaries
https://www.cala.co.uk/homes-for-sal...-park-lancing/
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Old 15th Apr 2021, 16:13
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This one made me chortle from 2007, guess where he used to work, ex EMA SATCO...

BBC NEWS | UK | England | Derbyshire | Airport's noise complaints soar
Perhaps to occupy myself during 'lockdown',as a retired ATCO,I should have been writing angry letters to the station commander at Odiham,about all those chinooks that fly over my house,rattling all the doors and windows...except there haven't been any for ages.

On a slightly more serious note,about 6/7 years ago,the Group Captain,and his PR officer came and gave a presentation in the local village hall.All through,he seemed to be on the defensive,as if he was trying to justify their operations,and excusing the noise,as though he was expecting a tirade of complaints afterwards.But at the Q&A afterwards,from the 200 or so present,there was only one woman with a negative comment,and any other remarks offered were very supportive.
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Old 15th Apr 2021, 16:17
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An elderly couple from somewhere in N America were crossing the scenic bridge between Eton and Windsor. A number of planes go over there per 20 minutes in normal times.

Lady to Man. "Why did the Queen build her castle under he flight path?"
That might have been the same lady who told me she had "done Europe" in 36 hours on a coach and didn't think much of the place.
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