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Old 21st Apr 2021, 06:41
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Here is one analysis of the police video.

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Old 21st Apr 2021, 08:22
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That video is quite amazing. It appears that the officer arrived on scene, and literally within seconds had to make the decision to use deadly force to preserve life. And yet is vilified in the press for it.

How many good cops are there for every Chauvin?

I suspect the ratio is higher than the media would have us believe.
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Old 21st Apr 2021, 08:27
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Thankyou for posting that video. It is one of the most enlightening things Iíve seen for a long time.

When I first heard about the 16 year old girl being shot I believed what the news said. Effectively Ďdumb, white cop shoots innocent 16 year old black girlí. I thought Ďoh God, not againí. How wrong can we be?!

Beware of the media. Nothing is as it seems.

As for Chauvin. I fear we havenít heard the last of it by a long way.

I think the man is horrible and deserves what he gets. Unfortunately I think it isnít too much of a stretch to see an appeal being successful though on the basis of an unfair trial.

The public were only going to accept one verdict and I find it hard to believe any jury could have been truly impartial after the publicity surrounding by the case.

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Old 21st Apr 2021, 09:44
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Originally Posted by dr dre View Post
For some it means being fatally shot by the police even if you were the one who called them for help:
16-Year-Old Black Girl Who Called For Help, Fatally Shot By Police, Ohio Family Says
And you don't even have to be black in Minneapolis to get fatally shot after calling for help:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooti...Justine_Damond
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Old 21st Apr 2021, 11:10
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Originally Posted by AyrTC View Post
Here is one analysis of the police video.

https://youtu.be/yfSXdhKnqWc

Quick thinking and appropriate action by the officer. Who would be in his shoes? What a difficult job.

Still, yet another reactionary monologue by The Officer Tatum is no help whatsoever. Do not be deceived by his faux concern, apparent reasonableness, or the fact that he is black. This man has an agenda. Officer Tatum thought it was going to be very difficult to convict Derek Chauvin of any felony crime; he was wrong about that. He also thought there would be widespread rioting regardless of the court case outcome; he was wrong about that too. The Officer Tatum’s videos are a series of reactionary, police-sympathetic propaganda. It’s all about deflecting to media exaggeration and protester unreasonableness.

Whilst the cam footage itself gives crucial context, reactionary videos by a black cop, making the sell that it’s the protesters, media and black victims that should be the focus and not the ongoing issue of violent over-policing is not going to move the US on one bit.

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Old 21st Apr 2021, 11:16
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Biden, when making his unwise comments was playing to the voting crowd, wanting to keep the African American population on-side for future elections. Biden is a puppet and does as he is told by the party elders in the Democratic party, led by Nancy Pelosi. Biden personally doesn't give a hoot for either Floyd or Chauvin. Waters outburst, on camera, must surely feature front and centre in an enquiry or appeal yet to come.
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Old 21st Apr 2021, 12:44
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An appeal just based on some comments from outside sources alone is not enough to overturn the verdict, the defence will have to have direct evidence of individual jurors being threatened. You canít just speculate and say you think the jurors would have been intimidated into voting guilty.

Think about all the trials involving mass murderers, serial killers, terrorists, etc that have had a lot of media coverage beforehand and have evoked strong feelings from the public and pundits before the trial. None of those trials have ever been overturned on the basis of public comments.

Chauvinís defence will have to prove there were huge mistakes made by the judge or the prosecution, or the judgeís instructions to the jury were incorrect or something of that nature. Given the immense worldwide coverage of this case I havenít seen any legal expert say that there were mistakes made that would grant an appeal.

Chauvin likely to appeal, odds of success slim
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Old 21st Apr 2021, 14:02
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Wow, so much clearer and easier to see in slower motion, the Lady in Pink owes her life to to the officer, it's up to her what she makes of it now....

Correct headline may be "Black woman owes her life to White officer that saved her from being stabbed in the neck by a fellow Black Woman whilst instantly assessing the fact that a Black man kicking a Woman in the head while she is on the ground is a secondary threat", that would be a factual headline, borne out by way of body camera footage...
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Old 21st Apr 2021, 16:35
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Originally Posted by Loose rivets View Post
Was I dreaming, or did the POTUS make comment? If it's true, he must surely have been aware that the defence will be looking for any reason for an appeal.
POTUS made his comments following the announcement of the verdict. The Congresswoman stated her opinions before the announcement of the verdict, possibly prior to the time the jury began deliberations.
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Old 21st Apr 2021, 18:33
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Originally Posted by Carbon Bootprint View Post
POTUS made his comments following the announcement of the verdict. The Congresswoman stated her opinions before the announcement of the verdict, possibly prior to the time the jury began deliberations.
Not quite - Biden made his comments after the jury had been sequestered, but before the verdict (the local radio replayed Biden's comment while breathlessly waiting for the verdict announcement).

However it would still be better if politicians would simply Shut The Up about such things until after the verdict is announced - you know, let the legal system do it's job...
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Old 22nd Apr 2021, 00:32
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Anyone here actually served on a jury in a criminal case in a large urban setting?
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Old 22nd Apr 2021, 01:05
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Originally Posted by Fliegenmong View Post
Wow, so much clearer and easier to see in slower motion, the Lady in Pink owes her life to to the officer, it's up to her what she makes of it now....

Correct headline may be "Black woman owes her life to White officer that saved her from being stabbed in the neck by a fellow Black Woman whilst instantly assessing the fact that a Black man kicking a Woman in the head while she is on the ground is a secondary threat", that would be a factual headline, borne out by way of body camera footage...
How about removing all the 'black' and 'white' references? The correct headline might be 'Woman owes her life to officer who saved her from being stabbed in the neck by a woman ....." You probably get the idea.

At least I hope you do.

Edited to add: I grew up as a kid in the early sixties in Bellevue, Washington, on the east side of Seattle. In elementary school there was a black kid in my class. The funny thing is, I didn't know there were black of white kids, he was just a kid, one of us. When we moved to Huntsville, Alabama with Boeing in the moon days I was thrown into a culture that despised black people and had separate drinking fountains and bathrooms for blacks and whites. The principal of Butler High School, where I was a sophomore, stood up in assembly and told us that there would be no 'niggers' attending his school. The cultural shock was pretty huge, as I had no idea about black and white in America. My father moved us to Winter Garden, Florida with a job shift to be closer to the Cape; central Florida was worse than Alabama for racism. It was like the home of the Klan. All this was pretty stunning culture shock for a high school student from the northwest. I had thought this too might pass, but the last few years leave me stunned. What is wrong with all you weird, nasty people?

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Old 22nd Apr 2021, 01:17
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Originally Posted by pattern_is_full View Post
Anyone here actually served on a jury in a criminal case in a large urban setting?
Domestic battery.
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Old 22nd Apr 2021, 01:28
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Yes. I served on a trial for King County (Seattle) years ago, probably about 2000. I was the jury foreman. The case was, oddly enough, about a 'black' man attacking people in a house after breaking in through the patio door. One of the victims was black, the other white. The defendant was accused of attacking the victims with a 2X4 board and beating them after entering their house. The defendant and the victims knew each other. As the trial developed it became clear, at least to me, that this was a set up and there was something going on between the two victims. We jurors were not allowed to discuss the case amongst ourselves and didn't. I told my wife that I was going to be the only hold out against conviction but would cause a hung jury if necessary as I was convinced of his innocence. In the States all twelve jurors must agree on the verdict; a single holdout will result in a 'hung' jury and no conviction; the state may retry hung cases.

The trial came to an end and we were sequestered to discuss the case and reach our verdict. As I was the foreman I was in charge of reading the various charges and then asking for a discussion and vote of guilty or not guilty. I was amazed at the first vote. It turned out that all twelve of us thought the defendant was not guilty, that there was a setup against him (there were lots of hints about affairs, etc.), and we agreed 'not guilty' on all four possible counts. There were no 'black' persons on the jury, it was a mix of retired people, working people, average people. I was amazed that we all had come to the same conclusion. We didn't take very long to come to our decision; I think we were out for less than two hours. It was amazing to hear other jurors express the same concerns and discuss the evidence and come to the same conclusion I had. There was not a single doubt amongst us.

We announced we had reached a decision and were called back to the court. I was asked if we had come to a decision and I responded to each charge with 'not guilty'. After I gave our decisions we were asked to sequester again. When we returned we found the defense lawyer had asked that payment be made to the defendant for the time he had been in jail prior to the trial, about 6 months; this was VERY unusual and required consent of the jury for payment. He had lost his job, his apartment, and had suffered a pretty huge financial hit. We agreed he should be compensated and he was. I had thought, previous to this, that we, as a jury, should comment on the prosecutors obvious poor decisions about charging and prosecuting the defendant, as some of the evidence we heard completely contradicted the prosecutions case and I felt the prosecutor had failed in his duty and should be sanctioned in some way. I didn't bring this up to the other jurors however, but wish I had. The case was bullshit, and twelve of us, retired train engineer, stay at home mother, mechanical designer, and other average citizens, all of us white, reached the same and right conclusion.

It was well worth doing and I've felt good about this for more than 20 years. The look of surprise on the defendant's face face at the verdict was priceless; he thought he was going to be screwed. We, as a jury, carried out our duties, heard the evidence, carefully weighed it, and came to a unanimous conclusion - not guilty.

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Old 22nd Apr 2021, 05:32
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WC and Winemaker - thanks. Good to know that at least some folks commenting here know what the $%^& they are talking about.

I have also - a multiple domestic battery, and a weird combo Speeding/DUI/Drug possession case. The latter was not too long ago - first time I saw body-cam footage shown as evidence.
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Old 22nd Apr 2021, 08:01
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'Woman owes her life to officer who saved her from being stabbed in the neck by a woman ....."
Well yes Indeed...if everyone was white, I'd imagine that is the way it may be headlined. I read now the Mayor is apparently guilty of 'Adultification Bias'...I never knew such a thing existed!
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Old 22nd Apr 2021, 08:14
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Well yes Indeed...if everyone was white, I'd imagine that is the way it may be headlined!
Or BLACK!

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Old 22nd Apr 2021, 08:25
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Great post Winemaker.

Not served on a jury, but have had quite a lot of dealings with court systems in one role or another.

In your example, the guy was found not guilty. although the disruption and cost to his life would have been huge. This is the hidden and greater cost of prison for those who may also may very well be completely guilty of the crimes of which they are convicted. Always makes me wonder whether those who want prison itself to be an awful experience as part of the punishment are ignorant of what is really like, or have some vindictive need.
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Old 22nd Apr 2021, 12:07
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I thought I saw another three officers sitting on Mr. Floyd. One of them was on his back. Now, I've been in a situation where someone had their knee on my neck and I could still breath, but once in a game of British Bulldogs I was on the bottom of a pack and the pressure on my chest stopped me breathing. Fortunately for me it didn't last 9 minutes.

So, was it the knee on the neck or the man on the back that was responsible for Mr. Floyd's death?
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Old 22nd Apr 2021, 12:57
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Time to change your handle Mr *****sheep, no longer acceptable...
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