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Old 17th Apr 2021, 15:47
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Originally Posted by lomapaseo View Post
Okay, now define what is meant by a professional jury.

could it be something like the Salem witch trials?

Im the end in our court system, the judge advises what is the measure of professionalism to the jury and the jury decides on what testimony meets the standard.
The whole point is that the jury is not professional. It is intended to be a representative group of the defendant’s peers. However, there are well established biases which affect the perceptions, dynamics and decisions of juries. Judges on the other hand are professionals and should be less prone to such biases.
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Old 17th Apr 2021, 15:50
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Yeah the country is disintegrating.
This is an example of someone with a large volume of bias arriving at a conclusion with nothing more than access to the internet.

Media reporting, selected articles and tantalizing sound bytes. No one denies there’s problems, but drama queens like dre extrapolate out events into the entirety of the country is burning.

The internet is a great thing as long as one realizes the limitations of viewing a given topic through a straw.
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Old 17th Apr 2021, 16:02
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Originally Posted by West Coast View Post
This is an example of someone with a large volume of bias arriving at a conclusion with nothing more than access to the internet.

Media reporting, selected articles and tantalizing sound bytes. No one denies there’s problems, but drama queens like dre extrapolate out events into the entirety of the country is burning.

The internet is a great thing as long as one realizes the limitations of viewing a given topic through a straw.
This board is pretty good at sorting the issues without any resolution then individual bias takes over after that
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Old 17th Apr 2021, 17:30
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Either he was incompetent beyond belief, to the point untrained bystanders were seeing and calling out his dangerous behaviour and he didn’t even then have the competence to realise his actions were wrong (incompetence and ignore are not criminal defences btw).

Or he deliberately wished to inflict malicious harm to George Floyd. He consciously wanted Floyd to experience pain and distress under his knee.
I agree that those appear to be the only logical choices, but the videos don’t appear to show a man aware that he is doing anything out of the ordinary or wrong. This was such normalised behaviour that Chauvin did not attempt to hide it. I think it likely he and others did it regularly in everyday policing. That would be institutional and societal culpability rather than one individual. Chauvin got caught and everyone else stepped back to let him hang. Who in the police is going to step up a year later and admit they do it all the time? Either that or he is too much a homicidal maniac to care.
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Old 17th Apr 2021, 21:52
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I agree that those appear to be the only logical choices, but the videos don’t appear to show a man aware that he is doing anything out of the ordinary or wrong. This was such normalised behaviour that Chauvin did not attempt to hide it. I think it likely he and others did it regularly in everyday policing. That would be institutional and societal culpability rather than one individual. Chauvin got caught and everyone else stepped back to let him hang. Who in the police is going to step up a year later and admit they do it all the time? Either that or he is too much a homicidal maniac to care.
Chauvin exhibits antisocial personality behaviours, which is not unusual for police officer applicants.

Fuentes said when he watched the video, Chauvin's behavior told him he is a classic sociopath, exhibiting extreme narcissism.

“You have someone who has no regard for anybody else. He has no regard for the subject he's trying to arrest – no regard for the public at large, no regard to the reputation of his fellow officers that are with him at scene, as well as the 800,000 police officers across the country. He doesn't care about anybody except himself,” Fuentes said.

In the general population, Fuentes said research shows about seven percent of people exhibit some sociopathic behavior, but in applicants for law enforcement that number jumps up to more than 40%.

Fuentes said the key to stopping police brutality is preventing these types of individuals who seek out power over others from being hired in the first place.

“This officer is a sociopath. He never should have been hired as a police officer,” Fuentes said.

Fuentes said, unfortunately, all of law enforcement is being stained by the bad actions of a few.

He said part of the answer is for police departments to be more proactive in screening applicants, so they don’t hire individuals with sociopathic tendencies.

“You cannot train a pit bull to become a French poodle. If you hire somebody with those kind of character traits, they’re still going to have that character trait and they’re going to be a ticking time bomb on the street,” Fuentes said.
Former FBI assistant director: Derek Chauvin showed ‘sociopathic behavior’ during George Floyd’s death
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Old 20th Apr 2021, 21:12
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Chauvin convicted on all counts.
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Old 20th Apr 2021, 21:28
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Originally Posted by Toadstool View Post
Chauvin convicted on all counts.
Given the evidence and testimony, if this had not resulted in a conviction, nothing would. Glad to see the murdering SOB being led away in handcuffs. Hope it brings some restitution for those affected.
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Old 20th Apr 2021, 21:41
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Just the first stage - an appeal and possible retrial the next stage, after an ill timed interventional by a Democratic congresswoman.

https://www.btimesonline.com/article...r-violence.htm
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Old 20th Apr 2021, 22:19
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Just the first stage - an appeal and possible retrial the next stage, after an ill timed interventional by a Democratic congresswoman.

https://www.btimesonline.com/article...r-violence.htm
Possibly. But the decision to be made is the same one that already has been made: Can a trial be held with confidence that the jury will not be unduly biased? That has been satisfied with a yes twice now. If there is an appeal, I’d say the odds are that this question will be asked and satisfied again are high.

Stupid and disrespectful of the congresswoman though. Lawmakers should respect the law, not incite. Duh.
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Old 20th Apr 2021, 22:28
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Was I dreaming, or did the POTUS make comment? If it's true, he must surely have been aware that the defence will be looking for any reason for an appeal.
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Old 20th Apr 2021, 22:36
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Comments made by the outside world while a jury is locked away incommunicado reaching their verdict have no bearing on anything.
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Old 20th Apr 2021, 22:36
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I reckon that the appeals will go on for quite a few years.....
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Old 20th Apr 2021, 22:38
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Originally Posted by Loose rivets View Post
Was I dreaming, or did the POTUS make comment? If it's true, he must surely have been aware that the defence will be looking for any reason for an appeal.
Unlikely to find one. What was said would surely have been carefully considered not to have anything legally prejudicial in it. And the jury would have had no knowledge of that communication. Ditto the foolish remarks of the congresswoman.
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Old 20th Apr 2021, 23:09
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Trump made comments in active trials all the time. He even tweeted once that a murder suspect should be executed before their trial had even commenced. Didn’t affect any of those trials as far as I’m aware.

As far as Chauvin goes just looking at the evidence no one should be surprised by this verdict. Any rational human being should know that if you cut off a person’s breathing at the neck for almost 10 minutes they are going to die.

He’s lucky he was wearing a police uniform at the time, in any other circumstance I think he would’ve gone for first degree premeditated murder.
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Old 21st Apr 2021, 01:23
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Judge Cahill, anticipating the request for a mistrial, denied it, but said “Congressman Waters could give you something on appeal,” suggesting he could use her incendiary presser in the middle of active, violent protests and riots as an appealable point should Chauvin be convicted.
Also worth noting that Waters voted to impeach Trump for saying things far less incendiary...
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Old 21st Apr 2021, 03:17
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Originally Posted by lomapaseo View Post
This board is pretty good at sorting the issues without any resolution then individual bias takes over after that
It's almost like real life.
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Old 21st Apr 2021, 03:25
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Wow. So any public official making a statement about guilt or innocence will invalidate a trial? Further, what if someone like Elon Musk et al had said something? If this is the case, we are in for interesting times. Also, please note, Biden refrained from making any comments until the jury was sequestered, unlike a certain former President who shall remain nameless.......
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Old 21st Apr 2021, 03:31
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Real life for some people in the US means being scared sh*tless of the police even if you have done nothing wrong.

For others it means the police won’t give you a second glance, even if you just shot someone on Fifth Avenue in New York.

(To quote Trump.)
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Old 21st Apr 2021, 03:50
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Real life for some people in the US means being scared sh*tless of the police even if you have done nothing wrong.

For others it means the police won’t give you a second glance, even if you just shot someone on Fifth Avenue in New York.

(To quote Trump.)
For some it means being fatally shot by the police even if you were the one who called them for help:

A 16-year-old Black girl was fatally shot by a white officer outside of her home after she called the police for help on Tuesday afternoon, according to her family.

The girl has been identified as Ma'Khia Bryant by her aunt, Hazel Bryant.

Bryant allegedly called officers at about 4:30 p.m. local time when a group of "older kids" threatened her with assault, her aunt told Ohio Statehouse News Bureau Reporter Andy Chow. She did not elaborate on the nature of the threat.

Bryant was taken to a local hospital in critical condition where she was later pronounced dead.

The fatal shooting occurred just as the verdict in the trial of former Minneapolis police officer Derek Chauvin who killed George Floyd was coming down
16-Year-Old Black Girl Who Called For Help, Fatally Shot By Police, Ohio Family Says


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Old 21st Apr 2021, 04:00
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That sucks. Something is seriously wrong if bullets fly before they determine what is going on.

Like the police officer who couldn’t distinguish between the weight, feel, color and balance of a taser holstered on one side of their body and the gun holstered on the other other side of their body when they shot dead a young man during a traffic stop after saying, “Taser taser taser.”
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