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Old 25th Mar 2021, 14:47
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A standard shipping container can weigh up to 30 tonnes.

Good luck with those Chinooks.
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Old 25th Mar 2021, 14:50
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Originally Posted by DaveReidUK View Post
A standard shipping container can weigh up to 30 tonnes.

Good luck with those Chinooks.
But it's just 15.000 of them...
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Old 25th Mar 2021, 14:51
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Old 25th Mar 2021, 15:24
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I had absolutely no idea that the suez had 50-60 ships passing through it per day. Not forgetting those in the med and the Red Sea that had planned on using it. Coupled with the worldwide container shortage. This really is a perfect storm.

I have a friend who works for a competing shipping company and they’re having kittens. They’d hoped it could shift a little at high tide. It’s wedged solid.
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Old 25th Mar 2021, 15:38
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before you start with the logisitics nightmare of offloading cargo, wouldn't it be easier to offload fuel?
I’ve read that they’ll remove ballast water first, then fuel, then containers, as needed.

According to the Suez tide tables posted above, the tides will be higher and higher for the next week before they recede to the lows when the ship ran aground.
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Why doesn’t someone post a METAR? I’ve read that there were high winds. I also read that there was a sandstorm. No idea what is true.
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Tide tables posted by nonsense in post #8 in this thread.

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Old 25th Mar 2021, 15:45
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Originally Posted by Auxtank View Post
Agree about using the Maersk behind to give the stern a damn good tug round. Probably the best bet at this point as it appears no one's thought to use actual tugs - about 6 should do it - with lines set to port stern cleats acroos the stern and f'wd port cleats.
There are x8 tugs pushing/pulling at the moment...
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Old 25th Mar 2021, 16:24
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Can the ship be tipped over on its keel enough to pitch the containers into the canal?

but of course the containers would have to be addressed with recovery later (might be easier that way) and the salvager gets to keep what he recovers
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Old 25th Mar 2021, 16:49
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How top heavy is the ship? Especially if they remove the ballast water and fuel to help it float. I would be very cautious about tipping it sideways...
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Old 25th Mar 2021, 17:01
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Originally Posted by visibility3miles View Post
How top heavy is the ship? Especially if they remove the ballast water and fuel to help it float. I would be very cautious about tipping it sideways...
I was about to say the same thing, it would be very embarrassing if it promptly rolled over.
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Old 25th Mar 2021, 17:03
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What they need is a conveyor belt!
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Old 25th Mar 2021, 17:06
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That digger, compared to the size of the ship, looks like something used to dig up a patio in your garden!
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Old 25th Mar 2021, 17:24
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Originally Posted by double_barrel View Post
....., it would be very embarrassing when it promptly rolled over.
Hand it over to lomapaseo (post #107) and you could amend your statement thus! Not sure you'd get the internal containers out ... ever ... as I suspect the hull x-section would be less than square by the time it came to rest on its side and was then rolled back upright again. It would make an awesome sight tho as it went, complete with mini tidal-wave.

Oh, in case any PPRuNers doubt my qualification to comment ..... I've lost count of the number of times I've fallen out of a canoe trying to get in or out! All something to do with where the C of G and C of B are and righting moments (erm, or something like that)!!!! Tricky little devils they are, canoes!
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Old 25th Mar 2021, 17:36
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Metacentre height vs CG
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Old 25th Mar 2021, 17:52
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Metacentre height vs CG
Correct when applied to a floating vessel, but not a grounded one. Whole different set of stab calcs required.
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Old 25th Mar 2021, 18:13
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It appears that after 31 March the high tide gets smaller through April so if they don't get her free the craning the containers would be the way. Is there a floating crane big enough near enough to get there rather than use a shore bases mobile crane. Could be interesting. ..
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Old 25th Mar 2021, 18:31
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I've lost count of the number of times I've fallen out of a canoe trying to get in or out!
Long ago I was on a camping trip when I watched, from the shore, one person try to get into a canoe by stepping on its edge (gunwale.)

Oh you should gave seen the look on the face of the person in the canoe!

The canoe did a prompt 360, leaving the camping equipment essentially dry, but the person previously onboard was left sputtering in the water, with some unkind remarks directed at their future crew mate.
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For full disclosure, I have done the classic one foot on the dock, one foot on a rowboat as it drifted away from the dock. After reaching the maximum split my legs could achieve, I fell into the widening gap.

Splash!
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Old 25th Mar 2021, 18:41
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Originally Posted by Kiltrash View Post
It appears that after 31 March the high tide gets smaller through April so if they don't get her free the craning the containers would be the way. Is there a floating crane big enough near enough to get there rather than use a shore bases mobile crane. Could be interesting. ..
I can think of a few streets in New York City where just leaving it unattended for a few days would find it completely stripped and considerably lighter
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Old 25th Mar 2021, 18:50
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Old 25th Mar 2021, 18:52
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Originally Posted by Mariner9 View Post
Correct when applied to a floating vessel, but not a partially grounded one. Whole different set of stab calcs required.
LOL - amended that slightly! Either way the end result would = 1 x mess!

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Long ago I was on a camping trip when I watched, from the shore, one person try to get into a canoe by stepping on its edge (gunwale.) Oh you should gave seen the look on the face of the person in the canoe!!
Technically, mine were Kayaks (we call them canoes in the UK). It is just as well they have a deck - which can double as a "bottom". Once did quite a distance down the River Dart upside down. It was a freezing cold day (snowing at times) and, after a while, my ability to right the thing ebbed away and my C of G and C of B swapped places. I discovered that I make a great keel!!! About the only thing I ever mastered in life!!! Ho hum! Happy daze!

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Old 25th Mar 2021, 18:58
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A problem with removing ALL of the containers is that the ship would lose it structural integrity. They are designed to be at least half filled with containers to keep their shape when under way.
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