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Old 23rd Mar 2021, 19:44
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I try and avoid confrontational situations. However to protect love ones and my property, I'm prepared to kill or be killed. However i will go out of my way to avoid confrontation, when my and love one's place of dwelling is close, or is known to scum, or there is a danger of them finding out.
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Old 2nd Apr 2021, 23:55
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London is becoming more and more lawless by by the day. Certain feral elements of the community do what they like and go unchallenged. Fare evasion, shoplifting in gangs, riding e-scooters where they like, graffiti and much more-including drug-dealing. The Met. police are all but ineffective. The London Mayor, Sadiq Khan appears to be on the side of the feral scum. Without doubt, crime in London has increased on his watch.

Stabbings are a regular event, and shootings are on the rise.

What is needed is zero-tolerance policing. And courts that are prepared to hand down sentences that deter crime.
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Old 3rd Apr 2021, 08:37
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There was a vigil in Croydon a few days ago for someone who had been stabbed to death. At the vigil a further murder took place. One generally knows exactly what type of people are going to have been involved. Teenage murder just down the road from me a couple of years ago - "oh he was such a lovely boy, wouldn't hurt a fly" grizzled all the comments reported in the local news - no he wasn't; well known to both the police and the social workers, he was a complete little shit as was the kid who killed him. They had a knife fight...

Another one in the last several years; I visited a friend in Mayday hospital one morning (he needed clothing so I could go outside visiting hours!) then walked through the back streets of West Croydon to Purley Way. Police tape closing off a side road, forensic tent in the middle. Usual usual...? Not this time. Big middle aged black guy with a young family and a strong community spirit had got so fed up with rampant drug dealing and petty crime outside his home, he went out to deal with it - tragically he ended up dead.
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Old 3rd Apr 2021, 11:32
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We taught a whole generation of younger people that if you are annoyed by anyone or anything you may take what ever action suits you and blame old idiots or racists or your school or the system. This younger group are now adults and have children of their own who are learning the same attitudes. You are not to blame because you were driven to it with no other means of self expression. We must learn to understand that everyone has a new right not be annoyed by anything anyone says or does and respond in whatever way suits them Until we can encourage the people to accept they are responsible not for their situation but for their response this kind of thing will continue
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Old 3rd Apr 2021, 13:23
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Originally Posted by treadigraph View Post
There was a vigil in Croydon a few days ago for someone who had been stabbed to death. At the vigil a further murder took place. One generally knows exactly what type of people are going to have been involved. Teenage murder just down the road from me a couple of years ago - "oh he was such a lovely boy, wouldn't hurt a fly" grizzled all the comments reported in the local news - no he wasn't; well known to both the police and the social workers, he was a complete little shit as was the kid who killed him. They had a knife fight...

Another one in the last several years; I visited a friend in Mayday hospital one morning (he needed clothing so I could go outside visiting hours!) then walked through the back streets of West Croydon to Purley Way. Police tape closing off a side road, forensic tent in the middle. Usual usual...? Not this time. Big middle aged black guy with a young family and a strong community spirit had got so fed up with rampant drug dealing and petty crime outside his home, he went out to deal with it - tragically he ended up dead.
A familiar tale. I watched a child die from a stab wound some years ago.
The local rag ran the familiar story of a troubled youth who had been turning his life around.
Complete twaddle, he'd been arrested himself for a knife-point robbery not long before his death.
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Old 3rd Apr 2021, 13:52
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I've also noticed similar issues with motor vehicle accidents where the crashes have been caused by individuals described in a positive light. "Johnny was such a good boy, popular, happy, care free etc". Usually by peers and relatives. The reports then go on to describe speed, ignoring road rules, drugs/alcohol, suspended/disqualified/unlicensed, unregistered, unroadworthy and quite often stolen cars.
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Old 4th Apr 2021, 00:23
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Having lived in New York during the bad times and the good, I can only cite the example of three strikes and your out showed results quickly.
Yeh, what could possibly go wrong with that? The sickest piece of legislation that America has allowed for a long time - a country that imprisons more people per capita than any other nation. They've more than doubled their detainees in the last 25 years, well over two million people. How do they do this? They run the system to make a profit. Don't play the game and you go to hell.

Three strikes? There might be the tiniest justification in a perfect world, but in a world where a soulless cop can end the life of someone he simply takes a dislike to, for an (alleged) minor crime . . . as I say, what could go wrong?
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Old 4th Apr 2021, 16:11
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He hadnít renewed his house insurance, so the house etc wasnít covered, some good news though is a just giving has raised 200k so should help.

https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/campaign-launched-to-help-ex-marine-whose-home-was-destroyed-in-fire-after-stand/

https://www.justgiving.com/crowdfund...p9ce_26ulsOPG0
Thank you for posting the Just Giving link NutLoose

An update was posted yesterday:
Sean Ivey
Thank you to everyone who has donated and shown their support. We are completely overwhelmed by your generosity, which has made life so much easier since the fire. Kev requested a withdrawal last weekend so that we can begin to rebuild our lives.

We have now moved into our temporary home until our home is rebuilt. My dream is to be in there by Christmas.

My wife has struggled to come to terms with what we have lost, especially those irreplaceable possessions which were destroyed, but she has been a rock for the kids.

Regarding my two little monkeys, they have been happy due to the support from so many who have donated toys, clothes, Easter eggs and well wishes. Also, due to our family and friends who have made the last couple of weeks enjoyable.

Finally, I thank you all from the bottom of my heart. I have never lost my faith in society, but this has increased my faith in the community spirit which lives throughout the whole country and the area we live in. What a privilege it is to be a part of that. My biggest wish now is to use this tragedy as a catalyst for change. I would dearly love to see each area of the country come together and use their community spirit to eradicate the poison that makes people live in fear. My family does not deserve this and neither does any of you.

Love to you all from the Ivey family.
I had been hoping that the family would be able and wanting to move away from the area. I fear they will now be more of a target than ever for the feral scum. However, moving away does seem like giving in.

I feel he's right about the need for the country to come together in a community spirit. What's the legal and effective way forward? Citizens' patrols and arrests?

All the very best to Sean, his wife and children. I have given to the fund; it's way past the initial target, but please consider chipping in if you haven't already.
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Old 4th Apr 2021, 16:21
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I took my morning walk with Mrs ZS to our local park. We stopped to observe a squirrel sunning himself chewing a nut or something for breakfast. Along came Fido with intent to kill the squirrel under no restraint from the owner. I said to the owner we need big cats to chase the dogs and a bear to chase the owners. Our once nice park has become a dogs exercise yard and toilet.
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Old 4th Apr 2021, 23:41
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I've also noticed similar issues with motor vehicle accidents where the crashes have been caused by individuals described in a positive light. "Johnny was such a good boy, popular, happy, care free etc". Usually by peers and relatives. The reports then go on to describe speed, ignoring road rules, drugs/alcohol, suspended/disqualified/unlicensed, unregistered, unroadworthy and quite often stolen cars.
This may not be popular on a military forum, but I used to comment wryly about this to an old chum who had been a major in the Paras, now sadly no longer with us. We noticed that whenever a soldier was killed in Afghanistan, or wherever, he always turned out to have been been popular with officers and men alike, hard working and a credit to the regiment, and destined for great things. We used to wonder why the skivers and trouble makers and general wastes of space who were always in trouble always seemed to lead a charmed life. But then again, we agreed we were probably just a pair of old cynics!
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Old 5th Apr 2021, 05:02
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Originally Posted by John Marsh View Post
Thank you for posting the Just Giving link NutLoose


I feel he's right about the need for the country to come together in a community spirit. What's the legal and effective way forward? Citizens' patrols and arrests?

All the very best to Sean, his wife and children. I have given to the fund; it's way past the initial target, but please consider chipping in if you haven't already.
It's been some time since we had one of the (many ) JB favourites, so a not unexpected return of this one.

This may be something of a revelation to you, but, what you propose is, in fact, already in place. This group even has a name......the Police.

Sadly, your subliminal proposal is more commonly referred to as......vigilantes.

Thankfully, we have legislation which prevents their emergence.

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Old 5th Apr 2021, 11:09
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Originally Posted by Krystal n chips View Post
It's been some time since we had one of the (many ) JB favourites, so a not unexpected return of this one.

This may be something of a revelation to you, but, what you propose is, in fact, already in place. This group even has a name......the Police.

Sadly, your subliminal proposal is more commonly referred to as......vigilantes.

Thankfully, we have legislation which prevents their emergence.
In theory, yes we do already have such a group in place. It seems that in practice, their effectiveness is ever more limited to the most serious crimes.

I don't like the idea of vigilantes any more than you do. At present, I cannot think of an alternative.
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Old 5th Apr 2021, 11:25
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I don't like the idea of vigilantes any more than you do. At present, I cannot think of an alternative.
I tend to agree with you, John Marsh. Indeed, from conversations I have had with people around here over time I have found that agreement to be virtually unanimous!

However, I also hear from the same people that they would use whatever force they 'deemed neccessary at the time' to defend themselves and theirs from anyone who threatened them in any way, shape and form! And in more than one case (most actually) they would if neccessary use lethal force in their defence!

"Better judged by twelve than carried by six" was an attitude expressed by a few.

Sadly, I fear that things will not improve in the foreseeable future.
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Old 5th Apr 2021, 11:28
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Originally Posted by John Marsh View Post
In theory, yes we do already have such a group in place. It seems that in practice, their effectiveness is ever more limited to the most serious crimes.

I don't like the idea of vigilantes any more than you do. At present, I cannot think of an alternative.
No theory involved. However, you may wish to consider the reasons why police numbers have diminished over recent years ...

Despite your statement to the contrary, your enthusiasm for vigilantes is evidently clear. Any ideas as to whom you feel should constitute the membership of this collective of civic minded thugs / yobs ( sorry, citizens ) valiantly "patrolling " the UK's streets.........this query on the basis you say you can't think of an alternative so presumably you have a demographic already in mind.
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Old 5th Apr 2021, 17:24
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And courts that are prepared to hand down sentences that deter crime.
Ay, there's the rub!

Many of the sentences handed down to my mind are far too lenient, in that there's not lot of deterrence and certainly not a lot of protection of the public by locking the perps up. The CPS only appear to want to prosecute if they have an enormous chance of conviction, there are far too few police partially because of public attitude to the police, pay and antisocial hours, and far too few prison and probation officers, mainly because of workload and pay....I gather many stations don't even have a canteen anymore.
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Old 6th Apr 2021, 03:03
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Any ideas as to whom you feel should constitute the membership of this collective of civic minded thugs / yobs ( sorry, citizens ) valiantly "patrolling " the UK's streets
I reckon a group such as these civic minded folks could go a long way to help, or do they fall into your vigilante thugs, yobs definition?

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