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Old 13th Mar 2021, 16:30
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Manchester Uniís PCness.

It just gets worse.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-englan...ester-56372118

A university has advised staff against using the terms "mother" and "father" to avoid bias and assumption.

The University of Manchester's guidance on inclusive language encourages the use of gender-neutral terms such as "partner" or "guardian" instead.

Jonathan Gullis, Conservative MP for Stoke-on-Trent North, Kidsgrove and Talke, described the guidance as "wokery gone mad".
The guidance recommends using gender-neutral terms, rather than those that make sex distinction such as:
  • You or they/their/them, not he/she or him/her
  • People/person or individual(s), rather than man/men or woman/women
  • Everyone/colleagues, rather than ladies and gentlemen/guys
  • Parent or guardian, rather than mother or father
  • Partner, rather than husband or wife
  • Sibling, rather than brother or sister
  • Artificial or synthetic, rather than man-made
  • Humankind, not mankind
  • Workforce, not manpower
  • We provide cover or staff, rather than to 'man'
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Old 13th Mar 2021, 16:51
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Originally Posted by NutLoose View Post
Hopefully such 'guidance' will be found so laughable that it will just be ignored and eventually quietly removed.
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Old 13th Mar 2021, 17:03
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Sally,

I wonder if it's a joke. If not, the only thing to do is ignore it, as you say.

At my advanced age I wonder what a crazy world will my grandchildren grow up in.

But worse, who employs and pays the idiots who write this stuff? They should be fired immediately.

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Old 13th Mar 2021, 17:06
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My first Army drill instructor used to call us all "spunk-bubble" which seemed quite a reasonable, non-aggressive, gender-neutral term to us. We certainly never complained...
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Yeeeeaaaars ago in the military, didn't the 'flat-hand' gesture evolve after 'pointing' at people was deemed too aggressive? And that was the 80s.

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Old 13th Mar 2021, 17:21
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I read the title and thought Marcus Rushford was extending Manchester United's involvement in social matters
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Charliegolf, I think that was the intention but people started to realise that it was actually far more aggressive and they liked it.
The added benefit was that a flat hand poke to the chest was far more forceful and produced better results - a sort of passive-aggressive napalm strike!
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Originally Posted by charliegolf View Post
Yeeeeaaaars ago in the military, didn't the 'flat-hand' gesture evolve after 'pointing' at people was deemed too aggressive? And that was the 80s.

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Carrying the SLR on the hip changed about the same time to carrying it barrel down as it was deemed a less aggressive stance and more a submissive one.
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Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 View Post
Hopefully such 'guidance' will be found so laughable that it will just be ignored and eventually quietly removed.
Like all covid guidance
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Old 14th Mar 2021, 09:03
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Originally Posted by NutLoose View Post
Carrying the SLR on the hip changed about the same time to carrying it barrel down as it was deemed a less aggressive stance and more a submissive one.
Interesting comment. I presume you're referring to the British Army. Are you referring to this sort of carry:




versus this?



And that this difference was actually a policy?
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Old 14th Mar 2021, 09:18
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If anyone is offended by my use of HE or SHE I continue by using IT instead. If that doesn't piss off the precious [email protected], THAT PERSON sounds reasonabley unfriendly.
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Old 14th Mar 2021, 09:27
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The problem with all this extreme sensitivity as to how to refer to people is that it will always end up offending someone. I get the feeling that some are just looking for any excuse to be offended, anyway, plus there seems to be a contingent that feel they need to be referred to differently simply to make them seem somehow better than everyone else.

The whole thing is an indicator of a growing lack of tolerance in society, IMHO. For example, when I was a parish councillor the rules from our local authority on how to address correspondence were that we were not to use the terms Miss or Mrs, but to always use Ms instead. Rather unsurprisingly, one or two ladies got very indignant at being referred to as Ms, and tried to demand that they be referred to as Mrs. They got even more angry when told that we were not allowed to use Mrs any more.
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Old 14th Mar 2021, 10:40
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Originally Posted by Spunky Monkey View Post
Charliegolf, I think that was the intention but people started to realise that it was actually far more aggressive and they liked it.
The added benefit was that a flat hand poke to the chest was far more forceful and produced better results - a sort of passive-aggressive napalm strike!
Exactly, like Bennys and Stills!

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Old 14th Mar 2021, 10:49
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Originally Posted by VP959 View Post
The problem with all this extreme sensitivity as to how to refer to people is that it will always end up offending someone. I get the feeling that some are just looking for any excuse to be offended, anyway, plus there seems to be a contingent that feel they need to be referred to differently simply to make them seem somehow better than everyone else.
I've got more than a feeling about it, I believe it to be fact.

Also for "inclusivity" read "a desire amongst those otherwise unaffected to be included on whatever the bandwagon du jour is..."
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Old 14th Mar 2021, 11:45
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At my advanced age I wonder what a crazy world will my grandchildren grow up in.
Surely you mean related persons of lesser-age?
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Old 14th Mar 2021, 11:46
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Originally Posted by Eclan View Post
Interesting comment. I presume you're referring to the British Army. Are you referring to this sort of carry:




versus this?



And that this difference was actually a policy?
Yes, throughout the British Military, it was deemed an aggressive posture to carry it on your hip, which was really comfortable, so it was changed to carrying it barrel down as a more submissive posture, it was a result of carrying them on the streets of NI.
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Old 14th Mar 2021, 14:59
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And you canít write LGBTQ anymore, as itís now LGBTTTQQIAA.
Thatís :-
L esbian
G ay
B isexual
T ransgender
T ranssexual
T wo spirited
Q ueer
Q uestioning
I ntersex
A sexual
A lly

you can then add as many ++++++ as you like to cover any other group who likes to think their special
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Old 14th Mar 2021, 15:40
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Personally, I have no problem with the bits about getting people to avoid using "manpower", "mankind" etc. That's just coming from old biblical sexist nonsense that suggests men are more important than women, and the quicker we can change that, the better. The rest of the stuff about brother, sister, mother, father etc is just nonsense. I'm OK with using the term partner, in fact that's how I would describe my beloved Pam because there's no other good definition to describe the relationship we had. I'm not going to call my mother my guardian, she's 87 years old and yes, she's a parent but she's my mother. If she falls ill, I'm not telling my boss that I'm taking time off to be with my parent or guardian. I'm in my 50s for crying out loud.
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Old 14th Mar 2021, 16:21
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What about banning the use of "horsepower"?
After all, don't equine creatures have rights and feelings?
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Old 14th Mar 2021, 16:30
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What about banning the use of "horsepower"?
After all, don't equine creatures have rights and feelings?
Yep, we demand equine opportunities for horses!
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