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Old 13th Mar 2021, 09:32
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A baroness in the House of Lords has suggested a curfew after 6pm for all men, to keep women safe.
This could work, as the only men on the streets after 6pm would be potential rapists and murderers. This should make it easier for police women ( as there will not be any policemen on the streets) to identify and arrest them.
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Old 13th Mar 2021, 09:52
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all men
wow, in these 'woke' times I think we'll need a current and acceptable definition of both 'all' and 'men'.
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Old 13th Mar 2021, 10:00
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Violence against women is totally wrong, and the abduction and murder of Sarah Everard is sickening.

But as an ordinary married man who does not condone sexual harrassment of women, treats them as equals, is always respectful towards them and would never dream of lifting so much as a finger towards them, I am genuinely bewildered by the narrative from particular societal/political organisations that I am as much a part of the problem who do carry out that kind of behaviour.
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Old 13th Mar 2021, 10:44
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....... but, if I dare mention it, please don't forget that there are women who are violent (physically and/or mentally) towards men ... and although we hear a lot about 'womens' refuges', there are also men who are in desperate need of protection.
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Old 13th Mar 2021, 10:55
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And once again, as a female, I never cease to be amazed at what comes out of the mouths of some women

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Old 13th Mar 2021, 11:03
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Ah, so ifI want to go out after 6pm, all I have to do is re define myself as a woman, which is my right apparently
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Old 13th Mar 2021, 11:03
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Originally Posted by Helol View Post
And once again, as a female, I never cease to be amazed at what comes out of the mouths of some women

Or anything that comes out of the mouths of many within the House of Lords. I've never forgotten my wife's uncle (at that time one of the hereditary mob in the HoL) ringing me and asking what a washing machine was. The chap genuinely had no idea such things existed or what they did, and when I told him his reply was "Don't you have a woman to do that?". Disconnected from the real world is too polite a description for some of them, more like they come from another planet, even some of those that get appointed there seem to quickly forget all about life outside.
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Old 13th Mar 2021, 11:29
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Can you imagine the outrage if it was suggested that perhaps woman should not go out after 6, in order to keep themselves safe...

Besides, I suspect that more men are attacked and killed by other men, no matter what time of day it is.


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Old 13th Mar 2021, 11:41
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Crazy knee-jerk idea. Let's have a sensible debate instead.

Reminds me of that MP who suggested that all knives should be radio tagged to combat knife crime, apparently unaware of the fact that we all have kitchens full of them.
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Originally Posted by dead_pan View Post
Crazy knee-jerk idea. Let's have a sensible debate instead.

Reminds me of that MP who suggested that all knives should be radio tagged to combat knife crime, apparently unaware of the fact that we all have kitchens full of them.
It was not made as a sensible suggestion but as an ironic quip against the tendency to allude to women being told to not leave the house after dark for their own safety. Clearly women should not be made to feel unsafe under any circumstance!

As is often the case, the Baroness has been taken out of context for click bait articles on social media.

Not trying to undermine the debate on here, however a sense of perspective is needed.

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Much as this young lady's murder is a tragedy for her family and friends, and made even more despicable because it was allegedly committed by a police officer, is it reasonable for it to be the lead story in the news for the third day running?

Looking at the data from 2020, there were 695 victims of homicide in England and Wales (I can't easily find the total for the whole of the UK). That's roughly two people per day being murdered. Why on earth is one young lady's murder attracting so much more media attention than the other people that have been murdered in the past few days?

Also, putting the murder of women into perspective (as it seems that the perspective is being heavily skewed by the media, politicians, those organising vigils, etc). 506 males were murdered in England and Wales last year, versus 188 females (yes, there is a disparity in the total - presumably one murder was someone of unspecified gender). In rough terms, that means that women are only about 27% as likely to get murdered as men, in England and Wales. What's more, that ratio is changing such that the risk of women being murdered is actually dropping, in 2019 there were 16% more female murder victims than there were in 2020.

In another thread, mention was made of the media creating the news. I believe that's pretty much exactly what we are seeing here. If nothing else, the other murder victims over the past few days deserve to be remembered in the same way as this young lady, no more, no less.
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Old 13th Mar 2021, 15:45
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Originally Posted by VP959 View Post
Much as this young lady's murder is a tragedy for her family and friends, and made even more despicable because it was allegedly committed by a police officer, is it reasonable for it to be the lead story in the news for the third day running?

Looking at the data from 2020, there were 695 victims of homicide in England and Wales (I can't easily find the total for the whole of the UK). That's roughly two people per day being murdered. Why on earth is one young lady's murder attracting so much more media attention than the other people that have been murdered in the past few days?
Because it was an evil barbaric act committed by a policeman during a period of time when compassion and caring should prevail.
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Old 13th Mar 2021, 16:17
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Originally Posted by VP959 View Post
Much as this young lady's murder is a tragedy for her family and friends, and made even more despicable because it was allegedly committed by a police officer, is it reasonable for it to be the lead story in the news for the third day running?

Looking at the data from 2020, there were 695 victims of homicide in England and Wales (I can't easily find the total for the whole of the UK). That's roughly two people per day being murdered. Why on earth is one young lady's murder attracting so much more media attention than the other people that have been murdered in the past few days?

Also, putting the murder of women into perspective (as it seems that the perspective is being heavily skewed by the media, politicians, those organising vigils, etc). 506 males were murdered in England and Wales last year, versus 188 females (yes, there is a disparity in the total - presumably one murder was someone of unspecified gender). In rough terms, that means that women are only about 27% as likely to get murdered as men, in England and Wales. What's more, that ratio is changing such that the risk of women being murdered is actually dropping, in 2019 there were 16% more female murder victims than there were in 2020.

In another thread, mention was made of the media creating the news. I believe that's pretty much exactly what we are seeing here. If nothing else, the other murder victims over the past few days deserve to be remembered in the same way as this young lady, no more, no less.
I believe you have unearthed an 'inconvenient truth'!

What concerns me is how the Reclaim The Streets pressure group has hijacked this tragic case, and in doing so is only further vilifying the male population the overwhelming majority of whom would never lay a finger on another person, let alone kill them.
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Old 13th Mar 2021, 16:20
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Originally Posted by Meldrew View Post
A baroness in the House of Lords has suggested a curfew after 6pm for all men, to keep women safe.
This could work, as the only men on the streets after 6pm would be potential rapists and murderers. This should make it easier for police women ( as there will not be any policemen on the streets) to identify and arrest them.
Surely it would be simpler to curfew the women. So she would know she would be 100% safe at home.... where do they get them from.
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Old 13th Mar 2021, 16:42
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I believe you have unearthed an 'inconvenient truth'!

What concerns me is how the Reclaim The Streets pressure group has hijacked this tragic case, and in doing so is only further vilifying the male population the overwhelming majority of whom would never lay a finger on another person, let alone kill them.

I think it's perhaps worth doing this from time to time, if only to highlight just how out of kilter reporting can be, relative to reality. I've noticed before that the media really do amplify some things, and create a feeling that risks may be significantly higher than they really are. I don't believe that's healthy for society at all; it will scare some women needlessly, and, judging from some comments in this thread, cause some men to react as if all men are considered to be a threat to women.

Using last years data for England and Wales (which came from the ONS, here: https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulat...ndingmarch2020 if anyone wants to have a look), it looks as if the chance of a woman being murdered is roughly 1 in 166,667, or about 0.00000006% (think I've got the dp in the right place . . . ).
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Not a problem. If I want to go out after 6pm I will just identify as a woman.

This is encouraged in these 'woke' times isn't it ?
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Old 13th Mar 2021, 16:48
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Surely it would be simpler to curfew the women. So she would know she would be 100% safe at home.... where do they get them from.
Not true. Many women suffer violence in the home.
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Oh boy !...erm, considering the much promoted level of intelligence by several on here, it's no surprise to read, as is usual for JB, how many have simply condemned said Baroness, for making a very much tongue in cheek response to the many suggestions about why women shouldn't even have any sort of social life and be tucked up in bed, at home........with a nice cup of warm milk and a digestive biscuit. Both are equally clearly ludicrous.

Here's the lady in question.....

Jenny Jones, Baroness Jones of Moulsecoomb - Wikipedia

The tragedy of this case is similar in so many ways to the tragic Soham murders at least for some sections of the media. Plus, the Met aren't exactly smelling of roses thus far and you get the impression won't be as more emerges .

JB it seems, is now becoming a haven for the data obsessed. Data may be useful, at times, but excessive use of data suggests an inability to be more expansive when attempting to analyse context overall.

The very repulsive issue of attacks on women, ranging from verbal sexual harassment to violence and ultimately murder, for those interested, has been justifiably covered as you would expect in depth in the Guardian / C4 News and the comments from across a broad spectrum of women and their experiences in the thin veneer of a "civilised " society are a damning condemnation as to how some male demographics still feel it's acceptable for them to behave as they do.

True, as in not written for JB, account.

Friend of mine / ours, walking home noticed she was being followed, She's slim build and an "easy target " for those so inclined,,,,,however....she turned to confront him whereupon he romantically suggested she was "clearly up for it " and advanced towards her....she kicked him on the shin, as he moved his legs, kneeded him between them and, as he was doubling up, grabbed his neck, pulled him down and kneeded him again in the face...before administering a couple of gratuitous kicks on the ground and calmly walking away. Ever thoughtful, she called the police and said she'd just found a man in "some distress " and an ambulance might be useful....and to ask him if he wished to press charges in light of his distress.? ......he may have had some time to reflect what happens when to try it on with a lady who trains ladies in self defence .
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One was talking about the Baroness, but one can’t win either way.
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Old 13th Mar 2021, 17:58
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Originally Posted by Krystal n chips View Post
Oh boy !...erm, considering the much promoted level of intelligence by several on here, it's no surprise to read, as is usual for JB, how many have simply condemned said Baroness, for making a very much tongue in cheek response to the many suggestions about why women shouldn't even have any sort of social life and be tucked up in bed, at home........with a nice cup of warm milk and a digestive biscuit. Both are equally clearly ludicrous.

The tragedy of this case is similar in so many ways to the tragic Soham murders at least for some sections of the media. Plus, the Met aren't exactly smelling of roses thus far and you get the impression won't be as more emerges .

JB it seems, is now becoming a haven for the data obsessed. Data may be useful, at times, but excessive use of data suggests an inability to be more expansive when attempting to analyse context overall.

The very repulsive issue of attacks on women, ranging from verbal sexual harassment to violence and ultimately murder, for those interested, has been justifiably covered as you would expect in depth in the Guardian / C4 News and the comments from across a broad spectrum of women and their experiences in the thin veneer of a "civilised " society are a damning condemnation as to how some male demographics still feel it's acceptable for them to behave as they do.

True, as in not written for JB, account.

Friend of mine / ours, walking home noticed she was being followed, She's slim build and an "easy target " for those so inclined,,,,,however....she turned to confront him whereupon he romantically suggested she was "clearly up for it " and advanced towards her....she kicked him on the shin, as he moved his legs, kneeded him between them and, as he was doubling up, grabbed his neck, pulled him down and kneeded him again in the face...before administering a couple of gratuitous kicks on the ground and calmly walking away. Ever thoughtful, she called the police and said she'd just found a man in "some distress " and an ambulance might be useful....and to ask him if he wished to press charges in light of his distress.? ......he may have had some time to reflect what happens when to try it on with a lady who trains ladies in self defence .

Aren't the other murders committed in the past few days equally worthy of being brought to our attention, though? Certainly the accused in this case stands out as making it allegedly more heinous a crime, but any murder, anywhere, by anyone, is an unnecessary loss of life, with a significant impact on family and friends. I fail to see why other murders should somehow be considered to be less important than this one, but then it's maybe down to George Orwell's observations on equality . . .
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