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Old 28th Feb 2021, 23:00
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Originally Posted by LTNman View Post
I have read the non redacted evidence that can’t be presented to the enquiry. It is a scandal of epic proportions that this evidence can’t be considered as it would condemn the First Minister and show she was lying. The missing paragraphs I read only concern Sturgeon and those that made the original allegations are not even mentioned so why would it be a contempt of court? The hand of the Scottish government is involved in this coverup.

It's what governments do. People who live in glass houses and all that. First Cummings then Patel have been caught out committing resignation offences. Tubs de Pfeffel merely said " Let's just move on." Exactly what the Scots are saying. Sauce for the goose and all that. If you want high standards in public life then don't operate like a banana republic.
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Old 28th Feb 2021, 23:46
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Originally Posted by teeteringhead View Post
In brief: I have relatives in Motherwell; their (Westminster) MP can vote on issues affecting the schools in Teeteringshire attended by my children and grandchildren. My Westminster MP (the only one I've got!) cannot vote on issues affecting schools in Motherwell.

And then there's the Barnett formula............!
Whatever your MP in Teeteringshire decides to do with school funding will have a direct affect on the money that goes to Holyrood - that's a Barnett consequential so the Motherwell MP (SNP) will take part. However, neither your MP or the Motherwell MP can vote on issues affecting the schools in Motherwell because that's the remit of the Holyrood Parliament. So, if you want to increase funding for example, Holyrood will also get more money but it's up to them how they spend it.

The Barnett formula is greatly misunderstood and everyone agrees it's long overdue a revamp but as yet nobody has come up with a viable alternative. Once again, that's solely in the gift of the government in Westminster.

PS. I should add; if it doesn't affect funding, it won't attract Barnett consequentials therefore the Motherwell MP won't take part.

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Old 1st Mar 2021, 09:49
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I know two wrongs don't make a right, but it's funny how for the 300 years before devolution when it was the other way round - English MPs could and often did vote on bills that only affected Scotland - any Scots who complained about this were told to go away and stop whining. Sauce for the goose again?
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Old 1st Mar 2021, 10:00
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'Indyrefs' - The whole subject is so devisive - it really is not worth the bother/complication/cost for what is just a power/money grab by the SNP (who have consistently proved to be absolutely incompetent at running scotland).
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Old 1st Mar 2021, 10:07
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Originally Posted by longer ron View Post
'Indyrefs' - The whole subject is so devisive - it really is not worth the bother/complication/cost for what is just a power/money grab by the SNP (who have consistently proved to be absolutely incompetent at running scotland).
Really not worth the bother/complication/cost. Now I wonder what else that might apply to.
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Old 1st Mar 2021, 10:08
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A little musical appreciation of some sections of English society......and Scotland.

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Old 2nd Mar 2021, 19:26
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As I mentioned on 24th Feb the endgame has arrived and the outcome should be known tomorrow.
See the BBC Scotland news website.
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Old 2nd Mar 2021, 19:44
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I don't think it really matters. She won't resign. As I've pointed out earlier in the thread Tubs set the precedent with Cummings and Patel. The old rules no longer apply.
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Old 2nd Mar 2021, 21:15
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If she loses a vote of no confidence, she really has no choice.
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Old 3rd Mar 2021, 06:20
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And it really is both brutal and embarrassing....

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/...l-legal-advice


The Scottish government’s brutal legal advice

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/...political-life

Nicola Sturgeon is fighting for her political life
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Old 3rd Mar 2021, 06:26
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Hardly surprising from the de Pfeffel house magazine. Running scared of the consequences of their incompetence.
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Old 3rd Mar 2021, 06:29
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A bit ad hominem there EF - why not address the content of the documents released and discussed....
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Old 3rd Mar 2021, 06:51
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The fact remains that Scotland is going to remain an intractable problem whoever is in charge. You have a country where more than half of the population regard themselves as illegally occupied by a foreign power. Exactly the same forces are in play here as were mobilised to achieve Brexit. As has been witnessed those forces are extremely easy for a dissatisfied faction to exploit. Expect fireworks from north of the border whatever the outcome of this latest brouhaha.
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Old 3rd Mar 2021, 06:59
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EM

Having read the Spectator article involved, I find it difficult to understand the relevance of your second sentence - if sentence it can be called.
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Old 3rd Mar 2021, 08:13
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POLITICO London Playbook.....

STURGEON VS. SALMOND

DATE WITH DESTINY: Before the budget action gets underway, Scottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon faces an excruciating evidence session under oath at Holyrood — as committee MSPs are finally given the opportunity to put every single question they can think of on Alex Salmond and the Scottish government’s handling of harassment complaints to the FM. Playbook doesn’t need to tell you how important the session could prove, with Scots paying this affair more attention the longer it runs and more dramatic it becomes. The fate of Sturgeon’s political career and legacy could come down to how well she handles today’s mammoth interrogation session.

The details: Sturgeon appears at 9 a.m., with the first minister due to stick around for as long as required. It could easily surpass the six hours Alex Salmond spent answering questions last Friday. The session will be live on BBC Parliament and the BBC Scotland channel, as well as on the Scottish parliament’s website. Look out for questions from Labour’s Jackie Baillie, Tory Murdo Fraser and Independent Andy Wightman, who all impressed during Salmond’s questioning.

LAST NIGHT: New evidence published on the eve of Sturgeon’s appearance only added to the pressure. Legal docs point to the government fighting a legal battle despite advice it was likely to lose, while published evidence by two other witnesses contradicts Sturgeon’s version of events — leading to the Scottish Tories calling for her resignation. The BBC has a write-up. Scottish Tory leader Douglas Ross and Scottish government Justice Secretary Humza Yousaf sparred over the issue on Newsnight, the former pointing to 30 times he believes Sturgeon broke the ministerial code as the latter accused Ross of “naked political opportunism.” What is clear is that last night’s events have likely added at least another hour of questioning for Sturgeon today.

THE SCENE-SETTER: My ace POLITICO colleague Andrew McDonald ran through the seven key questions facing Sturgeon and sets the scene with everything you need to know. Read the whole thing if you have five minutes, or if not Playbook has a quick cut-out-and-keep version below …

Was there a conspiracy? Salmond has claimed there was a “malicious” plot against him from people close to Sturgeon, pointing to unpublished — for now — texts that he says include “construction of evidence,” among other claims. Sturgeon has denied the existence of any conspiracy, a position that will come under scrutiny today.

Why did her government continue to contest a judicial review? Legal advice finally published last night suggests lawyers raised concerns months before the government conceded the case at great cost to the taxpayer. Going against legal advice could be considered a breach of the ministerial code.

Did she deliberately mislead parliament? April 2, 2018 — the date Sturgeon told Holyrood she learned of allegations against Salmond. March 29, 2018 — the date of a meeting she “forgot” with a former Salmond aide who told her about the allegations. Salmond has accused his successor of multiple breaches of the ministerial code in relation to the meetings.

Why did the government rewrite the complaints policy to exclude Sturgeon? A Scottish Sun revelation that government policy on complaints against former ministers was changed following several drafts to remove Sturgeon from the loop leaves questions for the government to answer — not least on the secrecy of meetings where the policy was drawn up. Sky’s James Matthews has a good summary of this particular issue.

Who is leaking? Salmond made the serious charge Friday that the identity of a complainant was revealed to his aide by the Scottish government before he met with Sturgeon in 2018 — a claim backed up by new evidence released last night.

Why has nobody been sacked? Civil service chief Leslie Evans, Lord Advocate James Wolffe and SNP Chief Executive Peter Murrell have all been named as figures who should consider their position. Sturgeon faces the prospect of having to defend the fact that all three remain in position.

And if she is found to have broken the ministerial code … Will Sturgeon resign?
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Old 3rd Mar 2021, 09:10
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Resignations are so last century.................unless perhaps you are outside the M25.
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Old 3rd Mar 2021, 09:18
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"And if she is found to have broken the ministerial code …"

Given the Ministerial Code has all the integrity of the fabled chocolate fireguard, as demonstrated by Boris and the charmless Ms Patel, then any fears in respect of this allegation will be groundless......
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Old 3rd Mar 2021, 09:26
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Resignations are so last century.................unless perhaps you are outside the M25.
Really?

Ignoring the long list of cabinet resignations over various matters, the one perhaps most relevant - and recent - is that of the Rt Hon Alun Cairns MP, who resigned as the Secretary of State for Wales, in November 2019.

Cairns resigned following claims he had known about a former aides role in the "sabotage" of a rape trial.
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Old 3rd Mar 2021, 10:00
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Cairns resigned following claims he had known about a former aides role in the "sabotage" of a rape trial.
Ho, Ho. That made me smile. Whether that's a deliberate association or a coincidental random example.
Can you imagine the stoochy Sturgeon would be in currently if she had stepped in to assist Salmond by quashing the original accusations at his request. No doubt the same fingers would be pointing but for very different reasons.
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Old 3rd Mar 2021, 10:19
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Watching the live coverage on TV, Sturgeon doing well, whether it is all a cover up or not, the performance is good,
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