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Old 26th Feb 2021, 19:16
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You really are surpassing yourself for talking utter tosh ! Save your anti-Tory/BJ bile for subjects that are relevant - you obviously know absolutely NOTHING about Scotland or its politics. Your childish rants on other threads are bad enough.
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Old 26th Feb 2021, 21:35
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Originally Posted by Effluent Man View Post
Well she sems to be knocking your man into a cocked hat. At least she can comb her hair.
He is not my man - I hate/distrust almost all politicians,if Labour had fielded an electable candidate and managed to get rid of 'momentum' instead of having the Corby,Mcdonut and Flabbott 'dream team' with Momentum pulling the strings - then things might have turned out different for you.
One is very rarely voting for a candidate one actually likes - one is often just voting against the even worse other candidate
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Old 26th Feb 2021, 21:39
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Originally Posted by teeteringhead View Post
They should check the history books (or Wiki these days I suppose) about the Darien Scheme.

Scotland having dreams beyond their abilities ............. hmmmmmmm
350 years ago! Nice one, that'll have them quaking in their boots.
Quite a lot has changed since then, even up here.
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Old 26th Feb 2021, 22:50
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Agreed. This current shambles shows disgraceful behaviour of the SNP members accused, together with the behaviour of the Crown office in handling the straightforward issue of evidence that is available to the enquiry. Many up here are wringing their hands in horror at the proceedings. Scotland does not need this right now!
Scotland has changed after the boom years of the oil industry, the T Blair governments gift of devolution and the resultant growth of unchecked nationalism.
Nationalism is always ugly. There is nothing more worrying than being witness to an SNP demonstration of hundreds of revved up Scots shouting, banging drums and waving flags as they march through the cities. Primitive and un british.
Try doing that in areas of England with the Cross of St George and no surprises as to the reaction of the UK public amd media.
There is a lot of private wealth in Scotland, some discrete, some less so, which will move out at a high rate of knots if the SNP get their way.
I so hope that they will not.
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Old 26th Feb 2021, 23:24
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Originally Posted by longer ron View Post
Ireland is a special case and very complicated history wise.
With respect 'Oilcan' you are missing my point about Income Tax/taxation in general - currently the scottish purse is kept filled up due to the Barnett Formula (32 Billion last year ?) - if scotland goes 'indy' - it will lose that and more - guess who will have to make up the teensy little shortfall.
Add to that the drive to electric vehicles by 2030 which might make any remaining N Sea oil of little interest/value (I know crude oil is used for other things,but the world is still awash with crude oil in other countries - and much easier/cheaper to extract).
As I posted earlier - Post Covid the western countries will be bankrupt,England will not have any money to gift to scotland if they vote for 'Indy' - but I guess we could just leave and take our share of the National Debt with us (add that to the scottish taxpayers burden after losing the 'Barnett Billions' )
Yep, I've heard all that.
Never the less, if you persist with the 'Scotland's too wee, too stupid and too feckle' line of attack I'm afraid you're backing a loser. It nearly lost the argument last time and is well on the way to losing next time even before the argument has begun.

Ireland; so why can't Scotland be a special case also?
Taxes; do you truly believe the up coming tax hikes will be fairly distributed in BoJo land?
Barnett; is a proportion of the public purse that Scotland pays into. Allocations for the devolved nations are a proportion of what England decides to spend on itself.
Oil; is a bogus, out of date and myopic argument. We all know it's in slow decline but many other aspects of the Scottish economy don't even get a mention.
Debt; Why should Scotland wait for handouts of borrowed money from UK (England if you insist). Why shouldn't it borrow money for itself?

All western countries borrow money, even Norway who have a national wealth fund very much greater than their national debt - even post COVID.

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Old 27th Feb 2021, 06:56
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Originally Posted by OilCan View Post
Never the less, if you persist with the 'Scotland's too wee, too stupid and too feckle' line of attack I'm afraid you're backing a loser. It nearly lost the argument last time and is well on the way to losing next time even before the argument has begun.
I didn't 'Attack' anybody and certainly would not use any of the language above which appears to have been copy/pasted straight out of the SNP Hymn Book.


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Old 27th Feb 2021, 07:27
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I'm a Labour Party member and an ex councillor fir sixteen years. If you look at where I live you might wonder how Labour came to win there and take 60% of the vote in a straight fight with the Tory, so I have reason to be aggrieved with the SNP every much as the Tories have. The fact is we lost Scotland in the very same way that they did. We failed to put up effective candidates against a very efficient party machine that actually had a message that their electorate wanted to hear as well as people capable of providing what they want. Sturgeon has been way ahead of all the other politicians. The tartan Jacinda will sweep all before her. This latest little brouhaha is a storm in a teacup. Murdo Fraser on R4 just now sounded desperate and, even should they get rid of Wee Nicola Ian Blackford us well capable of taking them on and beating them.

As for her resigning, don't hold your breath, there were far better reasons for Dom and Priti hitting the silk and we got " Let's move on". Good advice from your portly Premier.
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Old 27th Feb 2021, 09:18
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Cannot agree. As I mentioned earlier, there really is a lot at stake in this fiasco, albeit legalised blood sports, ( as J Bercow describes politics).
It goes way beyond personalities and strikes at the heart of the devolved administration and the law officers. It is very serious stuff.
Good to talk though. Which inter schools debating society were you in ? And your aircraft type ?
However, you do us all a great service by reminding us all why...... we voted Conservative, why the country has a Conservative Government, why the Government has a large working majority, why the well off will have their wealth redistributed to help the poor and careless.....as we always have and always will, why we will look the other way when a family is interviewed with their single parent four child "help me please lifes so unfair" and why we are Great Britain.
Bring her to starboard please, fenders and warps ready.
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Old 27th Feb 2021, 09:24
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By all means feel free to not agree. Your pathetic jibes are but water off a duck's back.
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Old 27th Feb 2021, 10:29
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Bring her to starboard please, fenders and warps ready.
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More like "Stand by to repel Boarders"

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Old 27th Feb 2021, 14:13
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I think the Guardian has about right....


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Old 27th Feb 2021, 14:46
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Al is going to win the pi**ing contest, not least because he can cause more mess from the outside pi**ing in that Krankie can from inside out.

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Old 27th Feb 2021, 14:59
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The SNP will just circle the wagons and carry on regardless. When you have the electorate as firmly on your side as they do that makes you pretty bombproof. Wee Nicola has one huge advantage...she isn't English.
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Old 27th Feb 2021, 16:38
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When you have the electorate as firmly on your side as they do that makes you pretty bombproof.
Not where I am. The most common comment is: "Why can'y she forget this independence thing and get on with running the country."

She managed to lose the absolute SNP majority in the last Scottish election
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Old 27th Feb 2021, 17:57
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Nicola has no interest in independence.
She has done nothing to progress it since 2014.
As a result there are new parties forming for the May election.
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Old 27th Feb 2021, 18:37
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Originally Posted by Fareastdriver View Post

She managed to lose the absolute SNP majority in the last Scottish election
Point of order. (Again, sorry)

That's because she won 6 more constituencies and was therefore allocated 12 fewer 'list' seats under our proportional system. A net loss of 6 in a system that is designed to reduce the chances of an absolute majority.

Bojo currently has an 80 majority government in Westminster with 43% of the vote giving him 365 seats out of 650.
Fish wifey has a minority government in Holyrood with 49% of the vote giving her 63 seats out of 129.

If the Westminster system was adopted in Edinburgh she would have a majority with 47% but it would give her 59 seats out of 73.
- that's a majority of 45.

BTW I'm not a supporter but misleading info needs highlighting.

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Old 27th Feb 2021, 18:44
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Originally Posted by Fareastdriver View Post
Not where I am. The most common comment is: "Why can'y she forget this independence thing and get on with running the country."

She managed to lose the absolute SNP majority in the last Scottish election

i could go to Liverpool Waltonand claim everyone I knew supported Labour.
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Old 27th Feb 2021, 23:24
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Originally Posted by longer ron View Post
I didn't 'Attack' anybody and certainly would not use any of the language above which appears to have been copy/pasted straight out of the SNP Hymn Book.
Ok, ref 'Scotland's too wee, too stupid and too feckle' perhaps I should have said you implied Scotland was 'economically unviable, numerically illiterate and full of drunks'.

Either way, such an approach is unlikely to be successful in my view.

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Old 28th Feb 2021, 07:48
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Originally Posted by OilCan View Post
Ok, ref 'Scotland's too wee, too stupid and too feckle' perhaps I should have said you implied Scotland was 'economically unviable, numerically illiterate and full of drunks'.

Either way, such an approach is unlikely to be successful in my view.
I can see why you might think that from my comments
My own view of 'Independence' is that life is complicated enough now without adding more complications to it.
My comments about the simple economics of 'independence' are of course only the tip of the iceberg vis a vis setting up a 'new' country which would be a very complicated painful and expensive process indeed.
I hate/distrust most politicians and whilst I can see the 'attraction' to some people of having the country run by people who use the word 'Scunner' etc - in reality we would just be swapping the 3rd rate Westminster Clowns for 5th rate Holyrood Clowns sitting in their expensive eyesore building
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Old 28th Feb 2021, 08:01
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Ok, ref 'Scotland's too wee, too stupid and too feckle' perhaps I should have said you implied Scotland was 'economically unviable, numerically illiterate and full of drunks'.
Education of the 3 most important school subjects in the whole of the UK (not just Scotland) has certainly deteriorated since I was at Bell-Baxter High in the 1960's,when learning the 3 R's was given much prominence .
We always had the 'Town Drunk' stottin' around the streets when I was a kid - but we did not have a drug problem then of course - even in my wee town now we have a high proportion of dependent druggies/wasters - mostly originally 'imported'/redistributed from Perth and Stirling etc.
The Stirling Bus Station toilets are a fetching ultra violent (violet/purple) colour inside so that druggies struggle to find a vein to 'shoot up',I must admit that was a bit of an eye opener

cheers/rgds LR
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