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Old 28th Mar 2021, 12:59
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Power hungry self obsessive" ring any bells?
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Old 28th Mar 2021, 13:14
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Originally Posted by BizJetJock View Post
It just makes you wonder how all these ountries like Iceand, New Zealand, Denmark etc ever exist if it is so impossible to do these things....
They do it by cutting their cloth appropriately. Doing that is a 'going-forward' thing. My questions about financing are about maybe needing to cut back hard to get on an even footing financially. If Scotland can immediately take in more than it needs to shell out, then as with Mr Micawber, "Happiness." Can they?

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Old 28th Mar 2021, 13:39
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Do I recall correctly that the EU were not interested in allowing Scotland to join as an independent nation?

If they want independence then good luck to them. I would be sorry to see it happen given our shared history, language and much culture.
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Old 28th Mar 2021, 13:43
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They'd have to pay more in taxes - as people in Denmark etc do . But they don't need embassies all over the world, they don't need an Independent nuclear deterrent or much in the way of defence forces at all.
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Old 28th Mar 2021, 13:44
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"Do I recall correctly that the EU were not interested in allowing Scotland to join as an independent nation?"

its always been a hypothetical question but its hard to see them turning them away if they were truly independent
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Old 28th Mar 2021, 14:29
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Originally Posted by Asturias56 View Post
"Do I recall correctly that the EU were not interested in allowing Scotland to join as an independent nation?"

its always been a hypothetical question but its hard to see them turning them away if they were truly independent
I think one of the reasons the EU have always been lukewarm on Scottish independence is the precedent it sets for other members of the family, the Basque region of Spain being the most obvious. As most sensible people realise Scottish Independence solves very little and opens up a whole load of quite complex issues, but as I keep saying if enough Scots buy into the dream then best of luck to them.
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Old 28th Mar 2021, 14:36
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Should Scotland go independent and joins the EU then there will be an hard EU border north of Berwick.
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Old 28th Mar 2021, 14:43
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It's interesting that when certain proponents of Brexit have been asked what financial benefit we have gained from it they say that it's not about the money, its about independence.

And yet the same people whom discussing Scotland's independence only want to talk about the money.

Aren't the Scots allowed the same priorities?
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Old 28th Mar 2021, 14:46
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Originally Posted by Fareastdriver View Post
Should Scotland go independent and joins the EU then there will be an hard EU border north of Berwick.
No different to the border across Ireland. Although that is likely to be temporary.
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Old 28th Mar 2021, 15:23
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Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 View Post
It's interesting that when certain proponents of Brexit have been asked what financial benefit we have gained from it they say that it's not about the money, its about independence.

And yet the same people whom discussing Scotland's independence only want to talk about the money.

Aren't the Scots allowed the same priorities?
I sometimes talk about the money (it is important you know)
I also sometimes talk about the 'Quality' of the SNP Leadership and their appalling track record in Scotland.
As I said previously - bitter English remainers have a grubby agenda for stirring on the scottish politics thread !
Brexit Leave voters always get the blame for Brexit but nobody ever mentions the 12,000,000 elegible referendum voters who could not be bothered to get off their collective arses to vote.

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Old 28th Mar 2021, 15:47
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Sallyann the difference is that when we left the EU we had the UK, but the Scots if they leave the UK have what?
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Old 28th Mar 2021, 16:48
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The UK still has the UK. Scotland will still have Scotland.
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Old 28th Mar 2021, 16:54
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The UK still has the UK. Scotland will still have Scotland
Sallyann, You will have to do better than that,
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Old 28th Mar 2021, 17:16
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During the last referendum campaign I was struck by how dry and poor the better together campaign was - just talking about economics.

I have little doubt that Scotland would be worse off financially after independence, but I also think there's an emotional argument against it. As a welshman who has lived in England most of his life I absolutely hate the fact that there are people who would want me to be treated as a foreigner when I travelled to Edinburgh; or who would be happy to be so treated when travelling from Aberdeen to Belfast, Cardiff or London.

There is much more that binds us than separates us. Beware the personal ambitions of politicians...
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Old 28th Mar 2021, 17:30
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Originally Posted by rogerg View Post
Sallyann, You will have to do better than that,
Then you'll have to ask a better question.
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Old 28th Mar 2021, 17:30
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If the Scots wish to leave we have no right to try to stop them or make it difficult for them to do so. we must agree a fair settlement as quickly as possible.

If they then rejoin the EU then the EU will instist on erecting a hard border, and there will be no Belfast Agreement to get in the way.
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Old 28th Mar 2021, 17:32
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Its QED then!
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Old 28th Mar 2021, 17:40
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It seems that the anti Scots just ignore the lessons of Brexit. It is openly admitted now that large tranches of Project Fear were in fact spot on. We have seen falling exports as well as imports, impediments to free trade that reduce our GDP but are told that it wasn't about that. As has been mentioned Scotland won't really need a defence budget at all. Presumably Ireland and Norway are not threats, so that saves a few billion. With oil now pushing above $60 again and at least forty years of motoring left before we become all electric the Rattray field with it's 1000 billion barrels Scotland could become the new Saudi Arabia,
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Old 28th Mar 2021, 17:41
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How do you know what the EU will insist? There may be a fudge that would be in both sides' interests.
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Old 28th Mar 2021, 17:49
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Scotland..............the new Saudi Arabia.....
Yes, of course, the Wee Free Republic of Hibernia, led by Al Ek bin Salmon al Shagga, may God preserve his gonads. What could possibly go wrong?
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