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Old 17th Feb 2021, 09:38
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Originally Posted by rich34glider View Post
I think that largely it's just people being less tolerant of abbhorent behaviour .. not erasing history, just correcting the record. Hardly immature?
Ah, 'abhorrent' the latest snowflake buzzword! Perhaps it's because I'm old but I can think of quite a few things higher up on the abhorrent behaviour list than saying a 'bad word' or being rude to people.
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Old 17th Feb 2021, 19:43
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I challenge one single person on this post to list a single time when the government limited their "free speech"

If it's a private social media company or on the internet generally, I hate to break the news to you guys but your free speech has not been infringed in any way shape or form. You are absolutely 100% completely free to go start your own website and say whatever you want
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Old 17th Feb 2021, 22:47
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Originally Posted by Luke SkyToddler View Post
I challenge one single person on this post to list a single time when the government limited their "free speech"

If it's a private social media company or on the internet generally, I hate to break the news to you guys but your free speech has not been infringed in any way shape or form. You are absolutely 100% completely free to go start your own website and say whatever you want
Correct. I wish all these “free speech warriors” could look up the meaning of “free speech”.

A great analogy I heard, if your favourite (Trump or other) public figure has been kicked off a social media platform, pretend Trump is a gay couple seeking a wedding cake and Facebook/Twitter is a Christian bakery. The right of private business to serve whomever they please is a conservative value isn’t it?

Or put it more directly:
For Trump and his man-baby fans, "free speech" means they get to act out with no consequences The snowflake right's "free speech": We can say whatever noxious crap we want, and nobody gets to be mean to us
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Old 18th Feb 2021, 07:23
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Originally Posted by Specaircrew View Post
Ah, 'abhorrent' the latest snowflake buzzword! Perhaps it's because I'm old but I can think of quite a few things higher up on the abhorrent behaviour list than saying a 'bad word' or being rude to people.
Abhorrent is actually just a real word in the English language that has been around a very long time - unlike "snowflake" which is a very recent buzzword used mostly by angry, privileged old white men!
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/...lish/abhorrent

And my use of "abhorrent" was not in reference to bad words or rudeness .. that's just called bad manners.


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Old 18th Feb 2021, 08:37
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Originally Posted by rich34glider View Post
Abhorrent is actually just a real word in the English language that has been around a very long time - unlike "snowflake" which is a very recent buzzword used mostly by angry, privileged old white men!
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/...lish/abhorrent

And my use of "abhorrent" was not in reference to bad words or rudeness .. that's just called bad manners.
Of course abhorrent is a real word, my reference was to the fact that it's now inappropriately inserted into almost every broadcast complaint about perceived 'ist' or 'phobic' behaviour. The same sentiment applies to the misuse of the word 'privileged' which is now in common use by whingers to describe anyone who they perceive to be 'better off' than themselves!

For example: 'Boo Hoo someone on the internet just called me privileged and white, I find that sort of racist language 'abhorrent'' could be described as an exaggeration?

'Snowflake' has been around as long as abhorrent in the dictionary as a definition of a type of precipitation. It is used extensively by people of all ethnicities when discussing matters meteorological and more recently has been found to be a perfect description of those weak minded 'drips' who whinge about everything.
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Old 18th Feb 2021, 08:38
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Governments limiting freedom of speech ? Mate of mine sent me a pic of his Government cracking down on protests where one guy, floored by four cops, restrained but has one stepping on his neck. Speech definitely curtailed there. Lots of other injuries and one young girl of 25 looks like she might lose sight in one eye. Of course, under the guise of limited gatherings, demos have been outlawed. That's ok then (?). Not a lot of freedom of speech going on in myanamar either, eh ? Oh, National Emergency I here you say. That's ok then .

Set up your own site ? Likes of Icke, Stone etc have been taken down all over the place for 'having a view', set up their own sites only to have those taken down.

Other sites have total right to overview or moderate or ban for transgression of site rules. I recall another Professional pilots site being set-up and the owner stated that he was prepared to let most things go through so long as it was not too gratuitous. Quite moderate I thought and his trainset. It got ever so boring though !
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Old 18th Feb 2021, 09:05
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The problem with "Free" speech is that there is no such thing in practice. Society always places bounds on what is or is not acceptable. If, for example, there was a law here in the UK that allowed complete freedom of speech, such that anyone had an absolute right to say anything, anywhere, free from any risk of censure, what might happen? Would we allow groups of paedophiles to set up stands outside primary schools, preaching their "love" of children and handing out information pamphlets to everyone? I would guess that even the most ardent supporter of free speech might baulk at taking the principle that far.

We already allow a fair degree of freedom of speech, even when we know that it causes demonstrable harm, both to individuals and to society as a whole. For example, Donald Trump was free to suggest disinfectant might be used to treat Covid-19, several people died as a direct consequence, but no one would question his right to make that statement, even though many thought it was stupid.

The internet presents unusual challenges, because it allows near real-time "conversations", much like those in a pub, but without the normal constraints imposed by face-to-face meetings. People are free to post in ways that are deliberately offensive and provocative on places like this. If the same conversations were being had face to face the chances are that normal conversational customs would moderate language and tone, not least because of the fear that a verbal altercation might turn into a physical one. The psychology of this is something I find fascinating. Even the most mild-mannered individuals can feel empowered by the apparent anonymity granted by the internet, such that they can express opinions in a way that they know full well will cause offence. They do so knowing there will be no real retribution for their lack of common decency, as few will bother to trace them to have a face to face argument (it does happen, though).
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Old 18th Feb 2021, 09:23
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No one saw this coming. Big US corporation denies the latest news to a whole country.
https://www.smh.com.au/national/why-...18-p573o4.html
Not particularly well thought out during a global pandemic, but that's greed for you.

Now what were they saying about Bill Gates all those years ago?
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Old 19th Feb 2021, 01:46
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Originally Posted by Dannyboy39 View Post
There's a difference between free speech and hate speech...
OK, who get's to determine what constitutes "hate speech". Because right now we have people who think anyone who says anything that disagrees with their political belief is guilty of 'hate speech'.
Stating that it's anti-science to allow someone to change the sex on their 50 year old birth certificate has been branded 'hate speech' by the LBGQwxyz nanies - and got a friend of mine fired from his job as an NFL Football analysist.
I'm so old, I can remember when it was "conservatives" who had issues with free speech, while the mantra of the political left was "I may disagree with what you say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it".
Today it's just the opposite...
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Old 19th Feb 2021, 21:34
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Old 20th Feb 2021, 03:57
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Whatever happened to
"Sticks and stones may break my bones,
But names will never hurt me."

Better change the last line to "Names will bring a lawsuit and I will get lots of money and likes on Wottsapp."
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Old 21st Feb 2021, 00:08
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Originally Posted by Ascend Charlie View Post
Whatever happened to
"Sticks and stones may break my bones,
But names will never hurt me."

Better change the last line to "Names will bring a lawsuit and I will get lots of money and likes on Wottsapp."
I suspect that if one has been subjected to name-calling because of your colour, sexual orientation, disability etc, for your entire life then maybe, just maybe it does actually hurt.
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