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RAF fast boat. I can't put Pinnis in the search.

Old 8th Jan 2021, 22:32
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RAF fast boat. I can't put Pinnis in the search.

Oh, for crying out loud. Why are bloke's minds so fixated? Everything is about that drawing in the sky. Naughty boys.

I wanted, not for the first time, to put RAF Pinnis. That was the name as I recall it being said. It was at Walton and Frinton Yacht club and on my wish list.

It was owned by a wealthy family who'd lavished all kinds of care and modification on it. The stern had had a few feet cut off and a bathroom installed. The engine room now housed two, probably, Perkins diesels where three Merlins had been housed. A fast boat? Well, my pall says no, they were Packard V8's. All I can remember was there was a workbench in the engine room with a vice on it. How cool is that?

The old boy it seems was concerned that anyone buying it could maintain it. Fine old gentlemen are few and far between these days. That's probably not true, but just in my current experience - which has fineness at a premium. Anyway, the deal fell through and I bought my little aircraft.

The main thing is just how good is my memory? Good enough to know I've talked about this before, but not good enough to tell my Skype friend 'facts' when he comes back to his laptop.

The old folk had owned a shipping company. They died in the fullness of time. Their sons were vary different. One had been the tallest pilot in the RAF. Later the Commodore of the Yacht club. His home overlooked his 60' yacht which was built of concrete, a fairly new idea then. His holiday home was in St Kits. A local bloke shot him, leaving his wife and daughter talking to each other on the phone. The latter heard the shot in NY.

It wasn't all that long before I met his widow at the younger brother's funeral. Sometimes reality resembles fiction, while being all too real.

Anyway, the boat. With no pictures in the sky.

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Old 8th Jan 2021, 22:43
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Rob,

You don't mean a Pinnace do you?
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Old 8th Jan 2021, 23:29
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And there's an RAF pinnace,HSL102, still afloat and in working order at the Historic Dockyard at Portsmouth.
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Old 9th Jan 2021, 00:39
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Don't you remember your poetry from school, LR ?

"At Flores,in the Azores, Sir Richard Grenville lay
And a pinnace, like a flutter'd bird came flying from far away..."

(from The Revenge, by Tennyson)

Chum of mine, a newish Hercules co-pilot, quoted these lines as the Azores came in sight on a trip there. His captain, obviously unfamiliar with the poem, gave him a dirty look and told him to concentrate on the job in hand. Miserable lot on the transport fleet I always thought compared with we light hearted (and cultured) tankertrash !
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Old 9th Jan 2021, 00:50
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Indeed, that's the name, though the speed of the later ones seemed rather pedestrian. MkII Built from 55.

I have no idea of the birthday of 'mine'. I was a tad impulsive in those days. All I knew was the diesel engines were like new and the interior was fit for a king. Having grown up with almost no money, my sudden purchasing power would have tested the sense of the most avoritious of the sixties moronotwerps.
Avoritious. "immoderately desirous of accumulating property." Ha ha, yes, that's the bloke.

I'd been bombed in the war and made good use of a Morrison shelter from time to time, but now it was the glistening sixties and people like me dared to set foot on the hallowed yacht club soil for the first time. A 60 foot boat that would part the Walton channel seemed perfectly reasonable. But the power? Hmm . . . there must have been more than a couple of 200 horses as I'd seen her with a score of Hooray Henrys causing not so localised gravity waves. She was run for a while with the petrol engines, but I could find no solid information on their disappearance. Probably charged for taking them away. Though the family owned a shipping company so I suppose they knew a thing or two about marine engines. Merlins? My friend said this afternoon that he doubted it and certainly, the hull looks unlikely to have tolerated them.

While reminiscing about boats, my beautiful mother in law shared with a fine old chap who'd serviced high speed wooden boats in the war. While out for a drive he'd told us the story of his young mate, with whom he regularly shared a billet. Lyneham offered such accommodation and they seemed to be constructed to convey the sound of highly polished black boots right into the inner chamber of one's ears. If that failed, GET UP! at 130db would ensure one's wakefulness. It's not surprising then that the old boy's mate slept rather fitfully. In fact, he was known to stir more than a little. One couldn't complain in the war, but I know my nerve would have been shattered by awaking to a peacefully snoring young chap who that night had punched holes in the ceiling.
These 60ft craft had a beam of 14ft, a draught of 3ft 4in and were of Hard Chine construction in Mahogany. They were believed to be powered by three Perkins S6M diesels of 130HP giving a speed of 17 knots.
Well at least the three is straight in my memory. But 17 kts? Hardly an MTB.
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Originally Posted by Loose rivets View Post
Oh, for crying out loud. Why are bloke's minds so fixated? Everything is about that drawing in the sky. Naughty boys.

I wanted, not for the first time, to put RAF Pinnis. That was the name as I recall it being said. It was at Walton and Frinton Yacht club and on my wish list.

It was owned by a wealthy family who'd lavished all kinds of care and modification on it. The stern had had a few feet cut off and a bathroom installed. The engine room now housed two, probably, Perkins diesels where three Merlins had been housed. A fast boat? Well, my pall says no, they were Packard V8's. All I can remember was there was a workbench in the engine room with a vice on it. How cool is that?

The old boy it seems was concerned that anyone buying it could maintain it. Fine old gentlemen are few and far between these days. That's probably not true, but just in my current experience - which has fineness at a premium. Anyway, the deal fell through and I bought my little aircraft.

The main thing is just how good is my memory? Good enough to know I've talked about this before, but not good enough to tell my Skype friend 'facts' when he comes back to his laptop.

The old folk had owned a shipping company. They died in the fullness of time. Their sons were vary different. One had been the tallest pilot in the RAF. Later the Commodore of the Yacht club. His home overlooked his 60' yacht which was built of concrete, a fairly new idea then. His holiday home was in St Kits. A local bloke shot him, leaving his wife and daughter talking to each other on the phone. The latter heard the shot in NY.

It wasn't all that long before I met his widow at the younger brother's funeral. Sometimes reality resembles fiction, while being all too real.

Anyway, the boat. With no pictures in the sky.
What kind of drugs do you need to be on to make sense of a post like this on the first reading? Serious question. There seems to be more and more posts like this these days which sound demented. Is the JB set growing into the foggy twilight years? A 60ft yacht made of concrete? Just wondering. Carry on.
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Actually, its called ferrocement. In 1973, a ferrocement yacht named "Helsal" built in Australia won the Sydney to Hobart race, in just over 3days.
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I've sailed the Gulf Islands here as crew on a 12m concrete sailboat. They work fine.
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Actually, its called ferrocement. In 1973, a ferrocement yacht named "Helsal" built in Australia won the Sydney to Hobart race, in just over 3days.
AKA the Floating Footpath.
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No need to be rude about Rivets. He can't spell, but then that's what editors do. Concrete boats are entirely possible, as are plastic ones. I for one enjoy a wander through an interesting past, when you have one please let us know and we can be rude to you.
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Old 9th Jan 2021, 07:43
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This film puts a bit of salt in the vein


Sounds like the Packards to me

Got to see night target towing for Shacks with the SAAF a long time ago.

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Old 9th Jan 2021, 07:53
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Originally Posted by ex82watcher View Post
And there's an RAF pinnace, HSL102, still afloat and in working order at the Historic Dockyard at Portsmouth.
Do I detect a touch of pinnace envy ?
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We had two pinnaces as range safety boats at a Scottish range I worked at in the 1990s. Both still in working order, but getting close to the point where they would be scrapped. Wood hulls, that were very difficult to repair, as they were built using double diagonal planking, mahogany I think, with a layer of canvas soaked in something like pitch between the planking layers. That range closed down around 20 years or more ago, not sure what happened to the pinnaces.
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This one?
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HISTORY & DESCRIPTION:

Lady Sybil H, built in 1932 by Harland & Wolff Shipyard, Belfast, of worldwide fame as builders of the Ocean Liner RMS Titanic.

The RAF Pinnaces, of which only a handful have survived, were designed to be used to rescue airmen and pilots from planes that had ditched in the sea. Lady Sybil H saw active service during World War 11 and remarkably her war-time log books survive, these will be passed on to the new owners.

Listed on the Register of Historic Ships.
Registered Number: 169542 Port of Registry: Cardiff
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Old 9th Jan 2021, 09:37
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You had the names previously Rivets - cant track it down now.

The Sea Shall Not Have Them - question about the watercraft

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HSL 102

Original power - 3 x 500hp Napier Sea Lion Max Speed: 39 knots

Current Power - Three six-cylinder 420-bhp Cummins diesels max speed about 38knots

Pinnace envy LOL, I have a lot of that!
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Couple of memories from times working with the Marine Craft Units on S&R - Holyhead from Valley and Littlehampton from Thorney.. Holyhead were used for all out 'wet' and deck training and the latter prompts the memory of leaving a Whirlwind 10 main gear tyre print on the mast 'button' ... slow reaction to a 'sleepy' student! We worked with the Littlehampton boat on a trial conducted by Farnborough to plot static discharge curves produced from aircraft /surtace contact. From memory, we were told that the maximum recorded was 175,000 volts but, thankfully very low amperage !! ... which triggers another , this in Holyhead harbour on a particularly hard-working session, breathing hard, mouth open and momentarily forgetting to 'hands-off' the cable on deck touch-down. Old-style dentistry gave me amalgum fillings top and bottom - the static shorted across the gnashers !!! I still remember the taste of static !
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Speaking of ferroconcrete, weren't the Mulberry harbours used on D-Day of ferroconcrete construction?
During my time in S. africa, there was a young Dutch lady who had been sailing around the world with her husband and kids. Something happened, they fell out and she was left high and dry in Capetown with 2 young kids. She set about building a ferroconcrete boat, with some help from the local yachting community. Shortly after I arrived back in UK, 4 years later, I was listening to Radio 4 in the car and this lady was featured in Woman's Hour. She had completed the boat, sailed it, first to Ascension, then to UK with only an assorted handful of charts and very limited instruments. She told of how, in the South Atlantic, she had a bump in the night, colliding with a whale, and the boat was undamaged. hats off to her, her boat and her indomitable spirit!

Imagegear: Among the jobs I was landed with at Simons Town dockyard was a call to the Navy's 4.5 inch anti aircraft gun, just along the coast outside Simons Town. They were having a problem with a Shackleton that was towing a target out in the Bay. The gun was supposed to be following the target automatically, using radar and a TV camera. The Shackleton pilot was becoming a bit cross as his crew had noticed the gun was tracking from the target along the tow wire to the plane! A swift bit of fettling put that right but the pilot was not a happy boy!

And as for the RAF boats, here's a couple including HSL 102:
Ship Photos, Container ships, tankers, cruise ships, bulkers, tugs etc
Ship Photos, Container ships, tankers, cruise ships, bulkers, tugs etc
The second of the two was used for ferrying seaplane crews on and off the moorings.
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CJ...were you, by any chance, a beneficiary of the Holyhead MCU's , allegedly, "entrepreneurial side line" , all of which tasted very nice although some local fishermen did object to their crustacean catches being depleted
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