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Old 7th Jan 2021, 14:26
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On our perambulations around Spain I found it best when inadvertently 'caught short' to pop into a bar/cafe/whatever and ask a staff member "Servicios por favor?" Would appear to be standard practice there as public toilets are noticeable only by their absence.
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Old 8th Jan 2021, 03:58
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Provincial Government.

Worse, when asked in parliament about the closure the minister proffered that there was a new toilet being built a few Kms up the road, only that was about fifteen minutes further up the highway from the turn off, ie, in the wrong direction, and a poxy stinking concrete block thing to boot.
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Old 8th Jan 2021, 11:26
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Originally Posted by Lyneham Lad View Post
On our perambulations around Spain I found it best when inadvertently 'caught short' to pop into a bar/cafe/whatever and ask a staff member "Servicios por favor?" Would appear to be standard practice there as public toilets are noticeable only by their absence.

Same in Italy but it's good form to pay the cost of a coffee
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Old 8th Jan 2021, 12:10
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Many Spanish bars and restaurants, particularly those in popular tourist areas, keep the key to their facility behind the bar. A mental nudge towards a purchase to non-customers, but somewhat of an 'inconvenience' to their patrons.
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Old 8th Jan 2021, 15:10
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In a civilised society, we have a website and apps to help us find the nearest loos:

https://toiletmap.gov.au/
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Old 8th Jan 2021, 17:43
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In a civilised society, we have a website and apps to help us find the nearest loos:

https://toiletmap.gov.au/
Nonsense! I would have wet myself before I could figure out the app on my phone
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Many of the police reality TV programs include a few minutes on public urinating. The officers turn a corner and a subject, usually male, is seen watering a flowerbed or the side of a building. The matter is usually dealt with by an on the spot fine and in some cases he is presented with a mop and bucket.

Lack of facilities is often given as a excuse, and this is a fair point. Unfortunately, due to misuse, particularly at night the conveniences are locked or have been permanently closed. Blue lighting is often used to discourage drug addicts from shooting up as it makes locating veins difficult, even so, disposal containers for used needles are put there anyway.

Steps are also taken to discourage the other main group who use public lavatories for inappropriate purposes. At known hotspots in Sydney, the size of the cubicle doors has been reduced to the extent that someone seated would still be visible from the shoulders up and the knees down. My barber shop was located across the road from a known “beat” and he got to observe certain people who spent an inordinate amount of time there.

The old fashioned facilities, all white tiled with heavy fixtures and fittings were excellent. They often had an attendant to keep the place clean and ensure that it was used appropriately. Modern ones are a last resort.
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Old 9th Jan 2021, 00:54
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Same in Italy but it's good form to pay the cost of a coffee
After retirement I took a part time job at a local service station. One quiet Sunday afternoon a German tourist on a bike rode onto the forecourt, parked his bike against the shop wall, sat down and proceeded to eat his packed lunch. Having finished that and chucked his rubbish into the bin he strolled into the shop and asked if we had a toilet. I replied that we did have a toilet - for customers. He said "oh, do you have to buy something?" Frankly I thought that up to then he had been taking the P so I replied that yes, that was the case. He reluctantly bought a Mars bar (or similar), so after having taken the P I now allowed him to have one. But honestly - the cheek!
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Old 9th Jan 2021, 08:49
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Non spill urinals male / female

Some great advice on the thread. Mistress Grottyyottie and self have a couple of non spill male & female urinals which we take out in the car with us. The lady uses hers in the car seated and I stand in between open doors and use standing up and facing inwards. Privacy is not compromised and nosy parkers get a warm smile. These plastic items are available at amazon and pharmacies, (search under the title above) and 5 to 10 quid. It has made trips out in the car with the dog this last year do-able.
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and while playing golf using a kart/buggy one stands at the rear with one hand on the bag and the other hand washing the mud off the tyres. It stops the old ladies in the houses overlooking the course from calling the cops
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An excellent plan Sir.
The urinals on sale seem to be of a standard size but would of course require adapters for ex Concorde pilots and GR2 Navigators.
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Old 9th Jan 2021, 17:00
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In 1899 when the Great Central Station was built in Loughborough it is clear that they had thought of everything - almost. In those days trains probably didn't have lavatories and so provision of relief was in the stations. Looking at the old plans of the station we see that in the ladies waiting room there were three toilet cubicles. In a separate building there was a gentís toilet with three cubicles and twenty (yes) urinals. Fewer female passengers in those days I suppose.
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Men take an average of 60 seconds, and women 90 seconds to use the toilet. Public conveniences for men feature urinals with each position requiring half the space that a cubicle needs. If the facilities are the same floor size then the male one can accommodate a higher number of users in a given time as the average space required per position is less and the time spent using it is also less. Add in that women need to use the toilet more often and for other purposes and the figures are even worse.

This is why queues are often seen outside female toilets but far less frequently outside male ones. For parity to exist, female facilities would need to be twice the size of male ones. In some countries building codes now require more space for women.
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Old 10th Jan 2021, 00:06
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Originally Posted by Tone View Post
In 1899 when the Great Central Station was built in Loughborough it is clear that they had thought of everything - almost. In those days trains probably didn't have lavatories and so provision of relief was in the stations. Looking at the old plans of the station we see that in the ladies waiting room there were three toilet cubicles. In a separate building there was a gentís toilet with three cubicles and twenty (yes) urinals. Fewer female passengers in those days I suppose.

Later.....
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I recall going to see Pink Floyd at Earls Court in 1994. Half time break and the queue for the ladies outstripped the gents by some way so the ladies started coming into the gents and using the cubicles; a sensible solution, particularly as nobody should have to miss the start of the second half which turned out to be Dark Side of the Moon in toto.
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Was using the urinal at the theatre (before lockdown), when rather a cultured young lady started talking behind me. Double checked that I was actually in a room equipped with urinals. THEN it dawned that she was advising me to return to my seat, via a very hi-fi loudspeaker. Phew!
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Old 10th Jan 2021, 11:23
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Originally Posted by treadigraph View Post
I recall going to see Pink Floyd at Earls Court in 1994. Half time break and the queue for the ladies outstripped the gents by some way so the ladies started coming into the gents and using the cubicles; a sensible solution, particularly as nobody should have to miss the start of the second half which turned out to be Dark Side of the Moon in toto.

Oh dear - thread drift warning . . .

Whilst looking through a box of old photos this morning, I came across this concert brochure from 1973. It was the debut concert for Dark Side of the Moon, IIRC, and when we emerged back outside afterwards there were some massive searchlights (looked like WWII jobbies) set up pointing up in to the night sky.


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Old 10th Jan 2021, 12:52
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To pee, or not to pee, that is the question....

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Nonsense! I would have wet myself before I could figure out the app on my phone
Have you tried "Just in time" - a Google Maps style arrangement centred on your current location with all available toilets clearly marked? Has options to display Baby change stations, Showers, Drinking water, Sharps needle disposal, and even Sanitary napkin disposal.

The app was last updated in 2017, but the underlying data seems to be quite current and kept up to date.

As an observation: Developers location is given as 123 Fake St, Sydney

Carefully considered getting a 'she-pee' device to keep in the glovebox for lassies that may be part of a trip to the outback at short notice one day. Some Aussies think nothing of driving 1500km in a day without even bothering to pack everything but the kitchen sink or check the tyres, oil and water - for some Europeans that would mean many border crossings across a major part of the European continent. For Aussie it's a Sunday drive - "She'll be right mate"!

Just this week I was talking to a tour operator that had a customer that had taken a detour down the Birdsville Track to get from Brisbane to Victoria via central Australia as somebody told him the NSW border was closed due to Covid restrictions - that's an extra 500 miles of off-road rough corrugated dirt road for a well equipped large 4WD and he was setting out without spare tyres, satellite phone, EPIRB beacon, food or water, in his little hatchback! Not many trees, or phone towers on the way on the way I hear either, so the app probably won't be of much use to him. Middle of the summer in Australia, with hot weather, kangaroos and cyclones. Ouch!

The guy that got caught out between two rising creeks in a valley during the cyclone in Queensland the other day, no cell phone coverage, queued an emergency text message giving his precise location, and attached the cell phone to his drone and sent it skywards as far as it would go up. On return confirmed contact had been made, the message had been sent and help arrived in the form of a bulldozer and chainsaws a day or so later to cut a path through the fallen trees.

Best survival advice I got from the oldies: Always stay with your vehicle if stuck in the outback or away from civilisation. The larger object is easier to spot from the air when they finally come looking for you.


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Old 10th Jan 2021, 13:27
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In 1899 when the Great Central Station was built in Loughborough it is clear that they had thought of everything - almost. In those days trains probably didn't have lavatories and so provision of relief was in the stations. Looking at the old plans of the station we see that in the ladies waiting room there were three toilet cubicles. In a separate building there was a gent’s toilet with three cubicles and twenty (yes) urinals. Fewer female passengers in those days I suppose.
A few years ago, while visiting my brother-in-law on a construction site during the great 'Julia Gillard School Hall' building exercises the Aussie government used to stimulate the economy during the recession, we dropped in to a site meeting where I was asked to sit in the corner and take notes for him.

This was a multi-storey, multi-million project. Underground car-park, large gymnasium (the bit funded by funded by the government), multiple classrooms and meeting rooms on a full storey/level above these, as well as a modern canteen and cafeteria, and associated landscaping.

In the meeting were the Architect (female ex student), School Principal (female ex student), School board member (female ex student), rich patron that funded the extensions above and beyond the government portion (female ex student), structural engineer (female ex student), and accountant (female ex student - see a pattern here?). Yes, did I say it was a private elite all Girls School, that did not have 'building and construction' on their curriculum? The name shall remain anonymous!

Discussion turned to finish, width and colour of cubicles in change room at rear of hall, as well as height of doors in shower stalls as the specifications were of non standard sizes different to what was available off the shelf in the industry.

I discreetly asked my brother-in-law about which wall the urinals were on as I didn't see any in the plan.

'What urinals' was the swift reply!

All turned to the architect to see where the male toilet facilities were located. They had been completely overlooked, even though males comprised over 65% of the teaching staff (funny about that in a elite private girls school, but I digress).

A compromise was reached as the building shell and most of the walls internally were already in place - the disabled toilet (a legal requirement that had been shoved in the corner) was made multipurpose/multigender by the addition of a corner urinal that was plumbed across to the sink outlet with a pipe fastened to the wall and a tap to let some water out for flushing. Single user quick and dirty fix.

A few red faces that day. Oh how we laughed in the smoko shed with the tradies afterwards, and I was certain to write up the minutes in a way that emphasised the additional costs incurred that my brother-in-law made a tidy profit for 'added' out-of-scope works that were not included in the original blueprints. Laminated copy of relevant page of the minutes with highlighted portion was placed on the elf-n-safety notice board for the duration of the project, and for I know, might still be on that notice board as the site shed was moved project to project to remind people that building architects might think they are god, but not always goddesses!

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Old 10th Jan 2021, 20:43
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Oh dear..

My older sister stood inside a pissoir in the late sixties on arrival in Dijon as a student, thinking it was a bus stop...my parents were so proud of her being the first member of the family to gain a place at university. That was about a year before she ordered half a kilo of testicles in a cake shop in Dusseldorf. Lifelong language teacher she is, I'm led to believe.
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