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Old 2nd Jan 2021, 12:38
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Beast from the East?

Just to add to Covid and Brexit....https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...rds-began.html

Bookies slash odds on winter being coldest since records began

Bookies have slashed odds on this winter being the coldest since records began as the same weather conditions behind the Beast from the East make a comeback.

Tonight temperatures could drop to -12C (10F) overnight in Scotland and the Met Office has issued a yellow snow and ice warning as Britian is engulfed in wintry conditions during the first week of 2021.

Leading bookmaker Coral cut the odds on this winter ending as the coldest since records began in the UK to 1-2 (from 4-6) as temperatures continue to drop. Coral has offered 4-6 for this month to be a record cold January following a chilly start to the new year.

'With temperatures continuing to drop, we could be edging towards the coldest winter since records began in the UK,' said Coral's John Hill. 'It's been a chilly start to the month and as a result it is now odds-on that this will be the coldest January ever in this country.'

WXCHARTS, a weather company that predicts long-term weather trends, has warned of heavy snow with as much as 30 inches dropping in one day up to January 17, reported the Mirror.

John Griffiths, a Met Office forecaster, told MailOnline the country should expect rain, sleet and snow over the next week - but it was too soon to tell if 'sudden stratosphere warming' (SSW) would result in a repeat of February 2018's Beast from the East.....
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Funny, but you expect global warming to make things, well, warmer...
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Old 2nd Jan 2021, 13:24
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the Met Office has issued a yellow snow and ice warning
Would that be "never eat yellow snow"?
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Old 2nd Jan 2021, 13:26
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Then again, we are now in the depths of a Grand Solar Minimum....
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Old 2nd Jan 2021, 13:37
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Funny, but you expect global warming to make things, well, warmer...
That’s why climate change is a more useful term. More energy in the system means more frequent extremes of weather, including extreme system pressure differences, which can cause very cold temperatures to be pulled in from places that are mighty cold. For the foreseeable future at least
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Same every year the media will forecast we will have the coldest winter since the year dot! But the last coldest spot was in 2010 when it begun in November & ended just after Christmas of that year. I think the winters of 1947 & 1963 are long gone, and to be never repeated in the UK with climate change!
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It's a Daily Excess standby to frighten the gammonista fraternity.
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Just last week they were saying we wouldn't see snow again.
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Sorry, probably my fault. Last week, I had a feeling in my water (ice) so I decided to fit winter tyres to my car and put another set up for sale. Last time I did this the Beast from the East appeared a week later.
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Old 2nd Jan 2021, 16:41
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Just last week they were saying we wouldn't see snow again.
Well that's tosh! I ski, and see snow every year!

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Old 2nd Jan 2021, 16:49
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The press are stupid.
Last spring I remember reading, "If we don't get rain there will be a drought".
Talk about a statement of the bleeding obvious.

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Old 2nd Jan 2021, 17:10
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Originally Posted by Effluent Man View Post
It's a Daily Excess standby to frighten the gammonista fraternity.
Yep. classic fertile Excess territory, however, apart from the usual "Thousands of Brits to die in Arctic blast Hell ! ", now, of course, we can have " EU tries to freeze UK in revenge ! " " EU sends -50 C temps to victorious UK ! " ....

But, as we all know, and has often been said, until the first 0.0001 micron of snow falls on London, then, and only then, will the weather become UK wide.
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Old 2nd Jan 2021, 17:39
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We have had snow here since the 27/12, only about 50mm but a little more fallen today. However I have just changed the tyres to Four Season so expect heat wave to commence imminently. On that topic why do manufactures sell stupid tyres on many 4x4 which look fine but are useless in snow as they clog up. I know this is a first world issue but you do not need the really proper off road tyres, just 4 season ,but makers of Chelsea Tractors and 4x4 estates insist on equipping them with inadequate tyres. The result is quite capable cars are useless in snow for the want of a couple of hundred pounds expenditure at the point of manufacture. Rant over.
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Old 2nd Jan 2021, 18:04
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Mr Mac,

We have had all season tyres on both cars for some years now. Found both Vredestein and Maxxis brands competitively priced against 'normal' tyres, they wear just as well, and road noise is not that difference.

What you do notice is how much more sure footed they are in snow and slush, and also on cold wet English winter conditions.

I would have all season tyres on a 'normal' car rather than a 4x4 with summer tyres, largely because in common with most British drivers I don't know 'how to drive' a 4WD car properly to gain any benefit from one.
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We do the same thing, it would be just good if they fitted them as standard in the first place when new. As for 4WD driving we get too much practice in some winters in Yorkshire with Range Rovers, Audi, BMW, Volvo products over the years. Works well going up hill but going down on snow covered ice you are just a big toboggan, and I have done some winter driving courses over the years as well as defensive driving courses !
In Munich I have a Golf GTI and as you maybe aware we have to put Winter tyres on in winter. But you are correct I would recommend Four Season in the UK even if just the front or rear depending on drive train.
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Old 2nd Jan 2021, 19:39
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Originally Posted by Mr Mac View Post
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. On that topic why do manufactures sell stupid tyres on many 4x4 which look fine but are useless in snow as they clog up.
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Because they would then have to give mileage and emission figures based on those tyres and these would be higher than summer tyres as they give more friction .It would also cost them a lot of money as they now have to pay fines on CO2 emissions per g/km over a certain limit which big 4x4 would certainly exceed.

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Old 2nd Jan 2021, 20:05
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It would be interesting to compare with accident figure costs and the real world anxiety thereof. Lies, lies and dam statistics as they say. I can honestly say with out this type of rubber many parts of up land countries would not be used. Therefore let’s be realistic. Ok tax a Chelsea
tractor in Chelsea but cut some slack to your Yorkshire (other places are available, even Lancashire,) farmer with his 4WD as they do not have an option.
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Old 2nd Jan 2021, 20:10
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In Munich I have a Golf GTI and as you maybe aware we have to put Winter tyres on in winter.
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Perhaps hewing too close to legal exactitude, but that's not correct. You only have to have them "when weather conditions require them" i.e. snow, ice, slush. If you wanted to take a chance and none of these happened, then you would be at no risk of being sanctioned for not having them.






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