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Is it permitted to not be pleased with Paul McCartney's latest?

Old 27th Dec 2020, 08:05
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His voice is not very good. He should have retired after the London Olympics.
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Old 27th Dec 2020, 09:17
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Led Zep were partially West Midlanders - certainly Plant and Bonham hailed from the Brum area I believe.

I like the Kinks, Small Faces, The Who, Pink Floyd, Rolling Stones, Yes, Cream, Yardbirds, etc, etc, all southern-centric bands, but also The Animals (Geordieland), Moody Blues (Brum), Spencer Davis Group (Brum), Hollies (Manchester). Gerry and the Pacemakers are good, Freddie and the Dreamers were a bit strange but harmless...

These are a few of my favourite bands...
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Old 27th Dec 2020, 10:38
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"His voice is not very good. He should have retired after the London Olympics".

I think he should have retired from singing before the 2012 Olympics - he sounded as though he hadn't rehearsed at all for that gig - A pity though as his previous year's New York show was excellent.

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Old 27th Dec 2020, 10:54
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I'm scratching my head as to how anyone could take from the critical view of PM or the Beatles that there was a criticism of Merseyside ???? The so-called 'Southern-bias' might simply be because the UK music industry in the most part is in London (the international labels, managers, lawyers, venues, nightlife, press, etc etc) and musicians from all over the UK generally gravitate towards London. Thereafter Los Angeles sees to have been the main residence of mainstream musicians, though Nashville seems to be catching up fast.

Simply put, Liverpool and it's environs (as lovely as they are) have never been, are, or likely will be a centre for the mainstream music industry. The 60's was an anomaly, in that a good few quality bands came out of there in the same period and had international success.
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Old 27th Dec 2020, 11:07
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Ok, we have given Sir Paul, the boys, and a few other groups their due. But was any of it really equal to this from the USSR?

Trololo music at its best. A tour today would be a modern Beatlemania.
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The Soviet Union's answer to Thijs van Leer!

The only thing more remarkable than the lyrics was his barnet!
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Old 27th Dec 2020, 13:26
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Mentioned Live 8 a while back ! here are a couple of my snaps from the event !

The guys who stole the show and the guy who tried to steal it and failed miserably :-)
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Old 27th Dec 2020, 14:09
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Originally Posted by El Grifo View Post
Mentioned Live 8 a while back ! here are a couple of my snaps from the event !

The guys who stole the show and the guy who tried to steal it and failed miserably :-)
A bit unfair to compare. Pink Floyd were the most anticipated and long awaited act that day. And got the headlining spot they deserved, being their first performance since 1981.
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Lets face it, Pink Floyd are on a higher level than most of the dross fawned over by the Boomers in this thread
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Old 27th Dec 2020, 17:11
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The Soviet Union's answer to Thijs van Leer!

The only thing more remarkable than the lyrics was his barnet!
😂🤣😂 Now that was funny. 👍
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Old 27th Dec 2020, 23:21
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Originally Posted by Krystal n chips View Post
Well done for nominating yourself for the coveted JB Musical philistine and heretic award......alas, you seem to have missed out Led Zep..... who also came from London.

Would you be a shade upset if I added Cilla Black to the list ?.....voice that sounded a bit like a combination of graunching brakes and that screech of chalk on a blackboard.

But, let's be fair, there's one song that has quite rightly immortalised Liverpool.......

Gerry & The Pacemakers - You'll Never Walk Alone [Official Video] - YouTube
Well, it wasn't intended to be an exhaustive list, but feel Free - also a London based band I believe. You'll Never Walk Alone, as we both know, is a song taken from a musical and divides the city rather than unites it. The home- grown song which more immortalises Liverpool imho, is this one, which proves that we can make the mickey out of ourselves: those of you in the sarf feel free to post anything with a similar self-deprecating theme, or just rattle your jewellery:


However, I do think we agree with regard to Ms Black, K&C.


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Old 28th Dec 2020, 09:17
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The reason I said that McCartney failed to steal the show at Live 8 is, firstly, he was asked to open the show singing Sgt Pepper backed by U2, and initially agreed. A few days later he insisted that U2 dress up in Sgt Pepper gear. Bono told him to take a hike ! 2 weeks prior to the event, he then insisted that he also be allowed to close the show. The organisers this time told him to take a hike. He said that if his request was not met, he would pull out !
Adios said the organizers.
48 hrs later, his management came back and said it was all some "misunderstanding" and he would be appearing after all !

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Old 28th Dec 2020, 13:38
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I have seen PM on TV a lot lately, talking about growing up in Liverpool and how it is his city and how the city loves him.
Yes I will agree there is an affection for him, but not a huge love that he seems to think.
As a Liverpool lad, I do really enjoy the music and although I wasn't born in the 60s my Father tells me of how at the time the city exploded with music after a difficult period since the war.
He worked with PM during their apprenticeship until one day at lunchtime PM jumped the wall and was never seen again. Was supposedly a bit arrogant and aloof even then.

He did himself a great deal of harm when he had all of the songs co-written by him relabelled from Lennon and McCartney to McCartney and Lennon.
At that point he was seen as a bit of a toss pot and no matter how hard he tries to ingratiate himself with the city he is seen as a bit of a prat who is currently writing some terrible music.

Similar to Springsteen he should try to be remembered for who he was as part of the Beatles rather than what he became since the 1980s.
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Old 28th Dec 2020, 21:09
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Originally Posted by Spunky Monkey View Post
I have seen PM on TV a lot lately, talking about growing up in Liverpool and how it is his city and how the city loves him.
Yes I will agree there is an affection for him, but not a huge love that he seems to think.
As a Liverpool lad, I do really enjoy the music and although I wasn't born in the 60s my Father tells me of how at the time the city exploded with music after a difficult period since the war.
He worked with PM during their apprenticeship until one day at lunchtime PM jumped the wall and was never seen again. Was supposedly a bit arrogant and aloof even then.

He did himself a great deal of harm when he had all of the songs co-written by him relabelled from Lennon and McCartney to McCartney and Lennon.
At that point he was seen as a bit of a toss pot and no matter how hard he tries to ingratiate himself with the city he is seen as a bit of a prat who is currently writing some terrible music.

Similar to Springsteen he should try to be remembered for who he was as part of the Beatles rather than what he became since the 1980s.
I remember Ringo did a spot in the early 90's where, if I recall correctly, he went around to the old haunts that were still there. No question that Liverpool was a cradle of sorts for a lot of good music in that era--the right place at the right time kind of thing--an embarrassment of talent riches.

I respect the pride one has for the place of one's birth, but for most of us we migrated to where we found education/work/opportunity/marital bliss/etc. and this certainly holds true for those in the major entertainment business. All four of the Beatles settled where they could record and then where they wished. I certainly cannot fault Ringo for opting for Monte Carlo and Beverly Hills instead of the Dingle once he hit the big time. They scattered to the wind as befitted what they were doing.

The Beatles historian Mark Lewisohn describes Ringo having seen, in a gang altercation, a lad losing an eye. Peter Brown relates an incident in which a 16 year old at an early gig was beaten to death. And of course there is good reason to believe that Stuart Sutcliff's fatal brain hemorrhage might have had its origins in getting stomped in the head after an early Beatles gig--an incident in which it was John Lennon who apparently pulled him to safety. Frankly it sounds as if for some of them getting a record contract and away from such rough territory was a welcome escape no matter how nostalgically one might look upon it decades later. Not a judgement per se, but rather an observation that it might have been time, for those like Ringo, to get to safer terrain.

Am I correct in remembering that Springsteen took a lot of guff for moving out of New Jersey--or at least out of the neighborhood where he had lived for many years while on his way up? I guess for many years fans would spend time worrying about if their favourite artists were still "authentic" or not. God bless 'em if that's what they want to spend their time worrying about.

Frankly wouldn't want to trade places with most of them. I prefer when I get back home that even the dog looks at me for a moment to determine if he recognizes me. Would hate to be flocked everywhere I went. Some people think you are the rudest bloke out there while others think you are the nicest and all most often dependent on the most passing of moments. Would hate to have to be "on" all the time where people are pulling at your from every direction.

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Old 28th Dec 2020, 21:33
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I have had a couple of short conversations with PM (in passing, job related) and he seemed affable enough, nothing to complain about, even though at the time he was under a lot of stress from his ex wife.

My only comment, as before, is that his singing voice is (unsurprisingly, bearing in mind his advanced years) nowhere near what it was and itís time he gave it a permanent rest.
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Old 28th Dec 2020, 21:45
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Haven‘t heard Paul McCartney III, but given the Jet Blast press I’ll give it a miss. I bought a second-hand Paul McCartney II LP a few years back. Aside from Coming Up (a gem of a song), the album was a very poor offering. I gave it back to the shop to save me binning it.

Red Rose speedway and Band on the Run on-the-other hand...

And how folks can be quite so dismissive of The Beatles given the astounding journey they made in just four years is beyond me. Very few bands encompass their contribution in both quality and diversity.
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Old 28th Dec 2020, 22:07
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And how folks can be quite so dismissive of The Beatles given the astounding journey they made in just four years is beyond me. Very few bands encompass their contribution in both quality and diversity.
I definitely agree with you there Torque. They had a number of traits/best practices that are enviable even today. Yes they did covers on their first albums, but they wanted to write their own material--which was novel for the day.

They wanted to change the flavour of each successive album and were constantly toying around with sounds. They stressed more the feel of the music rather than slavish target fixation on technical perfection.

And, what any small organization would benefit from, a knack of self critique that brought the group dynamic (pre 1968) to the fore and upped the game for all involved. Sure George Martin was key, but so were they.

Good stuff in so many areas.
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Old 29th Dec 2020, 00:54
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Now that we have given Macca a good kicking, can we switch to Lennon? Yes, I know, nil nisi bonum de mortuis, but he really was an arse, wasn't he, in a class of his own compared with McCartney? And as for that oft quoted favourite song,"Imagine", is that not a pile of vomit-inducing hypocritical twaddle?

Sorry Barry Lloyd, nothing to do with the fact that Lennon was a Scouse arse, just that he was an arse!

Never met any of them, but I did pay 8/6d to see them all at the Carlisle Lonsdale Cinema in 1963 - they weren't bad, what I could hear through the screaming.
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Old 29th Dec 2020, 04:03
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Surprised at the `McCartney's an @rse' stories here.
Met him, Linda, a young Stella, rest of the family and band backstage at Western Springs in Auckland - 1993 I think from memory.
He was an absolute gentleman.
Maybe there's some truth to him not being very happy during the Heather Mills era...
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Old 29th Dec 2020, 21:49
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"If a person is indifferent to the music of the Beatles, the problem is with the person, not with the music"

What pretentious crap......................
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