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Old 27th Nov 2020, 21:56
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A police officer who had sex with a woman in a police station toilet was told today to expect a prison sentence. The activity took place after the woman followed him into the unisex loo in a Cornwall station. Now I accept there’s a disciplinary aspect here. He was after all being paid to catch criminals. But prison? For sex with a consenting, indeed, well up-for-it adult: Seriously?
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Old 27th Nov 2020, 22:01
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A police officer who had sex with a woman in a police station toilet was told today to expect a prison sentence. The activity took place after the woman followed him into the unisex loo in a Cornwall station. Now I accept there’s a disciplinary aspect here. He was after all being paid to catch criminals. But prison? For sex with a consenting, indeed, well up-for-it adult: Seriously?
Assuming she wasn't 13 years old, that's ridiculous...

Discipline the bloke by all means, but prison?! That's insane (and probably not legal... Where did you hear about this?)
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Old 27th Nov 2020, 22:06
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The story is here: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cornwall-55107433
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Old 27th Nov 2020, 22:09
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There is something very wrong with the justice system in the UK at the moment​​​​​
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Old 27th Nov 2020, 23:46
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And the officer that's lost everything by scanning, or not scanning, 10 quid doughnuts. He has a long history of service. Fired without notice.

He was in uniform. He did not re-label the item but put another one through twice. The conviction seemed to be based entirely on deciding what he was thinking at the time.

Video of him showed that he looked at the screen and therefore must have taken on board the purchase prices. Goodness know how many times I've stared at that screen while thinking of a totally unrelated subject.

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Old 27th Nov 2020, 23:58
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She was the victim of a crime and possibly in a vulnerable state, it could be argued that the officer took advantage of this. A police station toilet is certainly no place for this sort of activity. It was totally unprofessional on his part, shows extremely poor judgment and it could be argued that he may do it again. He has no place being a police officer.

Getting involved with her later on, once the matter has been finalised and there is no conflict of interest could be acceptable.

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Old 28th Nov 2020, 00:32
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And the officer that's lost everything by scanning, or not scanning, 10 quid doughnuts. He has a long history of service. Fired without notice.
Tesco self-service checkouts weigh what is put on the "out" side and compare to what the computer has been told the product should be. If there is a mismatch there is a complaint on the screen and the whole transaction is paused until resolved. So in this case a box of doughnuts just happened to weigh within a very few grams of what some number of carrots should. Box of doughnuts vs more than a couple of carrots? Hmmmm, heavy doughnuts those. And now I think of it if the carrots could be scanned twice then they must have been taken off the "out" platform and there would have been a complaint that they had been removed or never put there in the first place triggering a different complaint and for both a pause of transaction. Tesco self checkout does indeed have its idiosyncrasies but accepting carrots as doughnuts is not one.

This case as reported in the local press has a nasty smell about it.

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Old 28th Nov 2020, 02:21
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A police officer who had sex with a woman in a police station toilet was told today to expect a prison sentence. The activity took place after the woman followed him into the unisex loo in a Cornwall station. Now I accept there’s a disciplinary aspect here. He was after all being paid to catch criminals. But prison? For sex with a consenting, indeed, well up-for-it adult: Seriously?
The bloke fell to temptation - yes, in theory he should have resisted, in reality he should also have resisted, he was a fool to carry on with what they did where they did. (Note they, not him). Prison is too harsh,: reprimand, demotion, and pethaps supervision, probationary working for a period of time. He's a fool, not a criminal.


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Old 28th Nov 2020, 05:01
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Originally Posted by ShotOne View Post
A police officer who had sex with a woman in a police station toilet was told today to expect a prison sentence. The activity took place after the woman followed him into the unisex loo in a Cornwall station. Now I accept there’s a disciplinary aspect here. He was after all being paid to catch criminals. But prison? For sex with a consenting, indeed, well up-for-it adult: Seriously?
Ah, another JB classic !

A neat bit of selective outrage, but, alas, not entirely accurate.....sorry about this....but, he's not actually been sentenced.... yet... and, whilst a prison sentence was indeed mentioned, it was in the context of being a high probability rather than the actual sentence he can expect. But, this is JB where the outrage bus invariably breaks the world land speed record whenever it gets rolled out....

The rest of the article also suggests he was hardly a paragon with references to further contact with the lady and another one.

As for the former officer in Cambs, well lets put it this way. Last time I looked, a bag of carrots bore no resemblance to a box of doughnuts.......should I book a visit to an optician ?

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Old 28th Nov 2020, 08:24
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This issue is not that they have done wrong and should be punished, it is the fact that they are being or potentially being treated more harshly due to the fact that they are Police Officers.
I live in Cambs and not a day goes by in the local paper reporting on a Nonce that is given a community service order or a fine.
Yet a copper nicks some donuts and his life is destroyed.
I can tell you who I would rather have walking the streets.
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Old 28th Nov 2020, 08:36
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What was he charged with? What actual crime?

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What was he charged with? What actual crime?

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Misconduct in public office.
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Old 28th Nov 2020, 09:44
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“Not actually been sentenced..” :thank you KnC; as I made clear in my original post.

“Hardly a paragon..”. Once again, I don’t disagree. But since when did we put people in prison for being “hardly a paragon”? Ask Keith Vaz.

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“Not actually been sentenced..” :thank you KnC; as I made clear in my original post.
Sadly, nope.

You casually missed this bit out....the word "options " may give you a clue here.

Taken from the BBC report....

" Obviously, the court will consider other options but I don't want to mislead you. You must come back realising that prison is very high on the agenda," he said.
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Old 28th Nov 2020, 10:11
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It seems right and proper that we hold people in public office, especially those charged with maintaining law and order, to much higher standards of behaviour than ordinary citizens.

In the case of the officer convicted of misconduct in public office, it seems as if there is more to this story than just two consenting adults having sex in a toilet. The officer was on duty, and the woman concerned was apparently a victim of crime. That placed a responsibility on the officer to treat the woman with the care we would expect any crime victim to be treated with, and not to take advantage of his position of authority. The situation is not dissimilar to a young teacher having sex with an 18 year old pupil. It might seem to be lawful on the basic facts, but we should hold people in responsible positions, especially where those positions also carry a degree of authority, to higher standards.

In the case of the officer convicted of not paying the full price for a bag of doughnuts, I suspect that the reporting of this story has also underplayed some of the evidence presented in court, something not exactly unknown when the media are trying to hype up a story. The evidence was clearly convincing enough to prove, beyond reasonable doubt, that the officer's actions at the check out were deliberate, not accidental. Had the media reports included the detail of that evidence, perhaps it might be easier to determine whether the verdict seemed reasonable. However, media outlets are unlikely to do this, as they deliberately make stories seem one-sided, as that encourages people to both read them, and, more importantly, for those stories to get "liked" or reposted on other forms of media.
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Old 28th Nov 2020, 11:35
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In the case of the officer convicted of not paying the full price for a bag of doughnuts, I suspect that the reporting of this story has also underplayed some of the evidence presented in court,
He wasn’t prosecuted, he was sacked after an internal misconduct hearing, which are surprisingly commonplace and the minutes of which are freely available on force websites which is why the press know the details.

I’m not sure how many people in this thread lamenting these two getting booted have heard of the acronym PSD before but believe me, they don’t f**k about!
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Old 28th Nov 2020, 11:50
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Most major private corporations now have policies and rules in place where personal relationships with other staff need to be disclosed upfront and generally are not allowed within the same business unit or where a conflict of interest may arise.

The public service has always been slow at adopting these kinds of measures, and the fastest moving thing in parliament is a politician dropping his strides.
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Old 28th Nov 2020, 12:27
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He wasn’t prosecuted, he was sacked after an internal misconduct hearing, which are surprisingly commonplace and the minutes of which are freely available on force websites which is why the press know the details.

Thanks for that, I should have read the reports more carefully. One wonders quite why he wasn't prosecuted, though? Perhaps because there was insufficient evidence to prove that he did this intentionally?
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Old 28th Nov 2020, 12:29
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The situation is not dissimilar to a young teacher having sex with an 18 year old pupil. It might seem to be lawful on the basic facts, but we should hold people in responsible positions, especially where those positions also carry a degree of authority, to higher standards.
Think 18 is legal according to the 2001 Act unless they are classed as vulnerable. I do know of 1st year Uni students sleeping with lecturer/tutor. Bit of a grey area it appears.
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Old 28th Nov 2020, 12:34
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Think 18 is legal according to the 2001 Act unless they are classed as vulnerable. I do know of 1st year Uni students sleeping with lecturer/tutor. Bit of a grey area it appears.

Are you sure that staff can shag their way through the upper sixth (or year 13 as they are now)?
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