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Lewis Hamilton, F1 Driver or Activist?

Old 29th Sep 2020, 17:14
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Originally Posted by SpringHeeledJack View Post
I've noticed in the last many months that nearly every tv commercial in the UK seems to suddenly have a plethora of non-caucasian artists doing the honours as every company/corporation trips over themselves to be seen as inclusive. The only problem I have is that it doesn't represent the actual reality in the country, even closely. In the USA since many years for every 3 'white' artists in a TV/print commercial, 1 had to be 'non-white' to represent the demographic accurately. I wonder if I could head off to (for example) Nigeria and start to complain when I would be passed over for a TV job and how prejudiced it all was.
We have the same here, ever advert has to have as many different races in as possible. Here it's probably even less representative, as, for example, only about 3.5% of the UK population is black. If we had proportional representation in advertising then roughly one person in every thirty should be black, yet in reality it's more like one in every four or five.
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Old 29th Sep 2020, 17:23
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All of the adverts I see on TV have people in them.
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Old 29th Sep 2020, 20:42
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They didn't get there by accident though, they were selected - individually .
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Old 29th Sep 2020, 21:41
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Originally Posted by clareprop View Post
Not really, they're selling the whole team to Ineos for next season. They came, they saw and they conquered..now they're leaving (apart from share ownership) because constantly winning is going to give them negative marketing.



Well, you can play that game with lots of countries/teams/people if you want to go back far enough. He's protesting against current issues...and not really doing much different to other sportspeople. I guess if you really don't like it, you have to sell your shares, sponsorship ownership or TV subscription. I don't really care because I think he has a point..I also enjoy the 99.9% racing content.
Although I have no great interest in the sport, I watch occasionally; the argument about presenting one's political stance being new is nonsense. "Pop" music, many art forms and pretty much any common form of entertainment has been pushing agendas for years - that's how you reach the public who would otherwise not follow the relevant news.
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Old 29th Sep 2020, 22:41
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Originally Posted by stevef View Post
The whole thing has become overblown and it seems that almost every corporation and celebrity is frightened of not agreeing with or promoting the present tsunami of apologism. I'd also suggest that the pound-shop Black Panther demonstrators aren't helping their agenda, either via the media or Britain's Got Talent showcasing.
There can be little doubt that very many who were in no sense of a racist outlook, are being moved in a racist direction by the totally counter-productive behaviour of the BLM and similar anarchic movements. Attitudes are changed by reason and education, not coercion.
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Old 30th Sep 2020, 09:00
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They're not.
They're trying to make people stop behaving like they're superior.
Is it really too much to ask to treat people as people without looking at the colour of their skin first?

Yes, of course slavers existed (some cases still do) in many countries and cultures but I don't see a legacy of oppressed/poor/uneducated white descendents in the Middle East or Japan or Africa.

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All of the adverts I see on TV have people in them.
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Old 30th Sep 2020, 09:30
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I don’t quite see why Lewis Hamilton (or any other sportsperson or pop star) using his high profile to promote a cause carries any more weight than anyone else’s opinion. He’s a racing driver. He’s no more knowledgeable than any of us walking the street and some of us, being a lot older, have a lot more life experience to draw on too.

A lot of the same people that nod wisely at his profound words would dismiss a similar comment made by an anonymous individual on Facebook.
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Old 30th Sep 2020, 10:14
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Originally Posted by SarcenStone View Post
I don’t quite see why Lewis Hamilton (or any other sportsperson or pop star) using his high profile to promote a cause carries any more weight than anyone else’s opinion. He’s a racing driver. He’s no more knowledgeable than any of us walking the street and some of us, being a lot older, have a lot more life experience to draw on too.

A lot of the same people that nod wisely at his profound words would dismiss a similar comment made by an anonymous individual on Facebook.
And a lot of the anonymous individuals making comments about racism on social media may well have had a great deal more experience of it than Lewis Hamilton, who has led a significantly more privileged life than a large number of people, some because of his own hard work and ability, but mostly because he was lucky enough to have the money to do what he wanted to do from a young age, thanks largely to his father working damned hard to support him.

For every person who has been given the support and encouragement that Lewis Hamilton was fortunate enough to receive, there may well be thousands with his background that aren't so lucky, and arguably their voices are the ones that need to be heard, as being more representative, than his.
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Old 30th Sep 2020, 10:29
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Isn't that what Hamilton is doing, using his high profile to echo the message from those in a less privileged position?

Isn't that how awareness is raised generally about a wide variety of issues ?

Like Bob Geldof/Feed the World in the eighties, as one example - none of the musicians/pop stars who took part had ever had anywhere near the desparate poverty experienced in Ethiopia, but were using their celebrity status to get the message out.
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Old 25th Oct 2020, 18:44
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Lewis went up massively in my estimation today for raising the Nigerian shootings. For many, BLM is just a useful club for the political left to beat the US while ignoring worse abuses elsewhere. Well done Lewis for pointing out black lives in Africa matter too.
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Old 5th Nov 2020, 18:42
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I have a lot of time for Lewis Hamilton as a racing driver and a person. However, one wonders if he will be 'Taking a knee' against 'race injustice' while in Jeddah next year? In my view, to do so would possibly be one of the most hypocritical statements a
sportsman could make.
Obviously, I'm aware that western countries have a poor record when it comes to dealing with this murderous and corrupt regime but why F1 should now decide to prostitute itself to them is a mystery, especially when there are plenty of other wealthy middle east countries who have tidied up their act over the past few decades.
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Old 5th Nov 2020, 20:01
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No need to wait until next year clare.
They're racing in the sand pits a couple of times this. All tarred with the same.....
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Old 10th Nov 2020, 00:27
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During the pre-race program for the last race, there was a short bit on Willy T. Ribbs - "African American" race driver - as a promo for feature program later that day on Sky Sports. I was a fan of Willy T. back in the '80s when he ran (and often dominated' the US TransAm series - he was an obviously talented driver, plus he was entertaining and a great interview. I remember his involvement in Indy Car (CART in those days), but he never had the financial backing to be successful in CART, driving for the back marker teams.
I don't get Sky Sports (the F1 coverage is via ESPN) - but the program showed up on youtube so I watched it. Good program, and Willy is still entertaining and a good interview. I didn't realize (or at least didn't remember) that he had a test in an F1 car but sadly didn't get the ride.
Interestingly, while I was certainly aware that he was black - and black drivers were rare in auto racing (still are rather rare for that mater) - I never thought of him as a trailblazer for black racing drivers. I just thought he was a talented driver who happened to be black.
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Old 13th Nov 2020, 19:55
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It may sound not nice of me to say, but I consider Hamilton the current best driver, but I am so tired of his race ranting I'll cheer if he gets beaten.
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Old 13th Nov 2020, 21:43
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Originally Posted by Lancelot37 View Post
It may sound not nice of me to say, but I consider Hamilton the current best driver, but I am so tired of his race ranting I'll cheer if he gets beaten.
You could always turn off immediately after the chequered flag, like wot I does.
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Old 13th Nov 2020, 22:31
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Originally Posted by Lancelot37 View Post
It may sound not nice of me to say, but I consider Hamilton the current best driver, but I am so tired of his race ranting I'll cheer if he gets beaten.
Just watched the after program today that got me thinking. He is right. There are less than a handful of black people working at the race. Now just going by averages that should be a whole lot higher. May that be because of lack of acceptance, opportunity, inclusion... or the old world attitude of itís a white mans sport. This goes for many other industries as well.

The fact that there are so
many inner city black kids up to no good may be down to the fact that from birth they grow up seeing the disadvantages put upon themselves. Itís easy as a white boy in a white world to see that your future is up to you, but to a black boy itís not only up to them but to what ingrained attitudes puts in their way.

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Old 13th Nov 2020, 22:45
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I'm not sure why, but there were very few blacks (or other 'people of color') in the amateur racing that I did (and I was involved for 35 years). Certainly no where near proportional to the ~10% of the US population that's black. It's not just lack of opportunity - precious few of the racers I was involved with enjoyed any meaningful sponsorship - the financing many came from them (or in the case of the younger drivers, their parents), although some who had small businesses could write off the expenses as advertising. For some reason, young black kids seem to be drawn to other sports - and to race you need the desire to justify the expense so people don't do it on a whim. Ball and stick sports don't require much in the way of a financial commitment so people can move in and out of the sport relatively easily.
Most people in professional racing start out at the amateur level - even the mechanics and engineers - so if you want more 'people of color' in professional racing, you're going to need to get them interested at the amateur level.
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Old 13th Nov 2020, 22:46
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Originally Posted by Lancelot37 View Post
It may sound not nice of me to say, but I consider Hamilton the current best driver, but I am so tired of his race ranting I'll cheer if he gets beaten.
I agree - it's not nice of you.
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Old 13th Nov 2020, 23:10
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I agree - it's not nice of you.
And why?

I'm tired of having it jammed down my throat, I consider us each equal, and Hamilton needs to shut his big mouth, he is doing nothing for the cause but he is alienating people. The knee thing is pathetic.
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