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Old 20th Aug 2020, 13:06
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Manchester bomb sentencing

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-53850642

So this vile individual has escaped a whole life order on the grounds that he was under 21 at the time of the offence.

I suppose small comfort is that he spent quite some time enjoying the hospitality of the Libyan security forces while awaiting extradition. It's a shame that they couldn't have been quietly asked to deal with him permanently.
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Old 20th Aug 2020, 13:34
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I suppose 55 years before being considered for parole may not be far short of whole life. He's 23 now. so will be around 78 before he can be considered for parole, so there's a fair chance he'll die in prison. The fact that he refused to attend court for the sentencing hearing, and so denied the victims their opportunity to read their impact statements directly to him seemed to me to just add insult to the injury they'd already suffered, which is a guess why he chose to do it.
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Old 20th Aug 2020, 14:09
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why he chose to do it
It's what cowards do.
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Old 20th Aug 2020, 14:59
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It's a great shame that there is no power to have a defendant dragged into court manacled if he or she refuses to leave the holding cell.

I'd have thought that the government will be looking for easy wins over the coming months, considering the ongoing fiasco around Covid, and the exam grades debacle. A referendum on the death penalty would prove popular.
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It's what cowards do.

It's what fanatics do.
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Old 20th Aug 2020, 15:13
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Considering the alternative, this is one of the better sentences. How many times have we seen ‘life sentences’ where the perpetrator is out after 10 - 15 years?

55 years before parole is considered sends a statement that we don’t often see.

The only negative is the cost of keeping him all that time...
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52_years to go. Already served 3. As he won't have paid national insurance I guess no old age pension.
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Old 20th Aug 2020, 16:11
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It's a very suitable sentence, provided it doesn't get cut on appeal.
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How long will he last inside?
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Old 20th Aug 2020, 16:52
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How long will he last inside?
A long and extremely painful time I hope🤞🤞
There will be some handy angry lads in there with kids of their own, who dont always follow the rules too fastidiously and hopefully some myopic staff.
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Old 20th Aug 2020, 17:10
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Originally Posted by esa-aardvark View Post
It's what cowards do.

It's what fanatics do.
Funny how they're never quite fanatical enough to stand in court and say "This is what I did, this is why and I'd do it again."
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Originally Posted by The AvgasDinosaur View Post
A long and extremely painful time I hope🤞🤞
There will be some handy angry lads in there with kids of their own, who dont always follow the rules too fastidiously and hopefully some myopic staff.
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I'd like to think he will be incarcerated with the general prison population. However, isn't there at least a fair chance that he will be deemed 'vulnerable', due to the nature of his offence? And therefore given special, protected accommodation. The poor lamb.

Not to forget, the availability of a special menu to suit his professed beliefs. And the availability of facilities in which to express them.

Of course, all this is in addition to a life of guaranteed shelter, warmth in Winter and the provision of such basics as potable water, sanitation and washing facilities. Things which are not guaranteed to homeless people who haven't killed anyone.
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I'd like to think he will be incarcerated with the general prison population. However, isn't there at least a fair chance that he will be deemed 'vulnerable', due to the nature of his offence? And therefore given special, protected accommodation. The poor lamb.
He will almost certainly spend his entire sentence segregated from other inmates - essentially in solitary confinement - for his own protection against physical attack by fellow prisoners, as do most convicted child-killers.

Following his refusal to face the court and the families of his victims, he has reportedly been furnished with a copy of the judge's sentencing remarks. He will have plenty of time to digest those.
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Old 20th Aug 2020, 19:23
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Scum. May he have 52 years of pure hell ahead of him.
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I understand that prisoners can be very inventive. I wonder how many years he will actually mange to live to serve...

Being a bleeding heart liberal, I hope not very many.....
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Spending from 21 to 78 years old in prison, most of it probably in solitary? Personally, Id rather be dead. If he was executed hed be a martyr., almost certainly what hed want. Seems like justice to me. Just a pity we (the tax payer) have to p all that money up the wall to keep him there.
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................................ Just a pity we (the tax payer) have to p all that money up the wall to keep him there.
A rather satisfying p**** up the wall none the less.
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Old 20th Aug 2020, 22:56
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Originally Posted by DaveReidUK View Post
Following his refusal to face the court and the families of his victims, he has reportedly been furnished with a copy of the judge's sentencing remarks. He will have plenty of time to digest those.
Sentencing remarks now published.
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Originally Posted by The AvgasDinosaur View Post
A rather satisfying p**** up the wall none the less.
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Cant disagree with that!
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55 years is all very well and I fully support it, but, in that time, there'll be many changes of government and who knows what that will bring to sentencing. This terrorist might find sympathisers in high places.
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