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Old 14th Aug 2020, 16:10
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Grrr Real cheap fakes

In the old days, go down to Bugis street for a final pint of the night/morning get a watch off one of the many sellers drop it into the glass of Tiger and if it was still running when you finished the beer, buy it.
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Old 14th Aug 2020, 19:39
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Interesting things watches.
On joining BOAC you could draw one for the trip to use for navigation, but had to phone TIM(?) to set the time.
A long time later the craze was for the "replica" Rolex - but after a while this petered out
Then we discovered the cheap black Casios. These looked as if "the Captain had borrowed it off his 10 year old son" but they kept good time and would do all sorts of extra things
The years went by and when I retired I stopped wearing a watch.
Then I was left some money and bought a Rolex. This was fine untill after about ten years it developed a nasty graunchy sound so needed mending.
The mending took a while.so I decided to get an iwatch. It is brilliant. It does all sorts of extra stuff, as well as telling the time. (My sister has one and the main use is to find her iphone when she loses it!)
The Rolex came back and is very good but now I stick with the iwatch.
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Old 15th Aug 2020, 02:01
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I've often mentioned how I was offered a Rolex GMT Master for 89 quid in Piccadilly. ~1964. The true price should have been about 120. I've always regretted it. Also, I've always said it couldn't have been a copy back then but reading in, there's just a hint of doubt. Any thoughts?
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Old 15th Aug 2020, 02:36
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When in Juneau a while back, I wandered into a jewellery shop (all of Juneau is jewellery or king crab claw restaurants) and saw a watch called "Shinola."

I laughed, and when the salesman came over he asked why I laughed. Told him "I don't know shit from Shinola" and he agreed. This is a brand created to give the craftsmen of Detroit a new way to make money. Instead of tinkering with engines, the workers were trained by Swiss masters, and they now produce a locally-made watch which looks pretty darn good.

I didn't buy one, having just outlaid on a Tissot T-Touch solar.

One of my favourite watches is a fake Tag Heuer, which is so good that several watchmakers have noticed it and had seriously close looks at it, before asking "Where did you get this?" When I say $120 at the Mangga Dua markets in Jakarta, they get a little embarassed.
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Old 15th Aug 2020, 10:59
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While I was in a jewellery shop to look for a present for someone, a young know-it-all assistant noticed my watch and asked to examine it. "Is it genuine?" he asked, "I think it could be a copy!". I told him it must be a good fake if it fooled the Rolex UK repair HQ at West Malling.
He found someone else to serve.
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Old 15th Aug 2020, 12:44
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Originally Posted by VP959 View Post
What size is it? I have a box of 1.5mm diameter spring bars, from 8mm to 25mm long:
Never thought of just trying to buy replacement on line I've ordered a kit from Amazon which also comes with several tools - even using a jeweller's screwdriver they are fiddly. I take the straps off occasionally to clean out the grime that accumulates! At 3.99 probably cheaper than getting the local jeweller to do it!

Cheers VP959!
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Old 15th Aug 2020, 13:00
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Originally Posted by treadigraph View Post
Never thought of just trying to buy replacement on line I've ordered a kit from Amazon which also comes with several tools - even using a jeweller's screwdriver they are fiddly. I take the straps off occasionally to clean out the grime that accumulates! At 3.99 probably cheaper than getting the local jeweller to do it!

Cheers VP959!
They are a lot easier to remove and refit with a spring bar tool, and, as you've found, a lot of these tools are available online at a pretty reasonable price.
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Old 15th Aug 2020, 19:35
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If anyone is interested in watching how a Rolex is serviced, this chap puts out some oddly fascinating videos on watch repair and restoration.
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Old 16th Aug 2020, 00:41
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Charming chap but left me bewildered a few times. And as for that person dribbling over the keyboard . . . please may he be made legal game.

That was substantially more difficult than my four-engined Seikos, despite each engine having its own gear-train. In the GMT Master, are those wheels jewels? If so, I assume they're mostly grown.

I envy him his oiler. Even so, I wasn't sure some blobs were arriving. Indeed on the main centre drive, he went back to it an put a lot more oil on. Just when I'd like to have known what he was putting on the stem seal, there was no information - it looked like clear silicone - but somewhere they give a free lubricants list. He seemed very confident it would carry round on the target points he oiled.

Oilers. I make some tools out of needles. I cut the eyes in ~half and that holds a blob proportional to the original size. I thought I'd treat myself to some 'inkwells', but when I saw the price I started designing some in my headbone.

Also, I use a large needle cut thusly, as a spring bar tool. I set it into a steel rod handle. The handles have to be strong (mine is a drilled rod of stainless) and a good needle shouldn't break.

I'm not certain about the quality of the spring bar kits. So much depends on them. I sent off for some where you got a fraction of the quantity and the name Seiko was mentioned. They did not impress me. It's important, as I've had many an original bend. One recent one had pulled out and bent 70 - and just arrived like that. It was hidden in the band end shroud. Dodgy.

Once you've pulled the stem out those little cogs are free to drop out on some watches. The Seiko 7A28 only has one, but the 38 has two. I spent quite a while looking for the missing one in a 28, before realising.
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Old 16th Aug 2020, 07:04
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Many Swiss watches are of Chinese origin, the parts are sourced from there and after assembly and minor finishing they are labeled as Swiss made. Often the high price of something Swiss is simply a reflection of the high cost of the country rather than the quality of the product.

The Chinese company “Seagull” make some very nice watches with movements that are exact clones of ETA movements.

Higher end Russian watches are worth looking at as well, the factories started off with used machines bought from Switzerland.

The Japanese brand “Orient” are on a similar level to Seiko but make everything in house.

I have a “Parnis” divers watch bought for around 100 which has worked perfectly well for the last 5 years, as I don’t earn my living diving from oil rigs in the a North Sea I can’t justify paying for 300m water resistance and the servicing costs which go along with maintaining it.

Around 40% of the retail price of a Rolex is dealer mark up, prices are maintained artificially high by restrictions on discounting. Most of what you pay goes on other things besides the watch.


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Old 16th Aug 2020, 11:09
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Many Swiss watches are of Chinese origin, the parts are sourced from there and after assembly and minor finishing they are labeled as Swiss made.
I heard that from a Swiss engineer about twenty five years ago except they he didn't define which Asian country. According to the shop where I bought my first Rolex lookalike the face 'walked' from the factory in HK that produced the genuine article and I could believe him.
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Old 16th Aug 2020, 14:18
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Old 16th Aug 2020, 14:47
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In an underpass around the middle of Tverskaya (St) in Moscow there used to be a watch "shop" in the mid 00's whose windows were full of "high quality replicas", had literally hundreds of watches from $10 to $1000... every make and every model...

What was amazing was that they also had "created" non-existent models of brands, like the Tag Heuer whose (secondary) glass flipped up and became a magnifying glass and with a built in light... watch itself was extremely high quality and around $300 or so.

I purchased an "IWC" for around $500 that a colleague loved so much I sold it to him... can't remember how much but he was new to Moscow and did not know such shops existed! Watch itself was utterly premium in quality. would have never thought anything like a fake, the real one was $5000... these manufacturers of luxury goods... markups must be huge.
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Old 16th Aug 2020, 14:52
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@ Discorde #10: Aha !, great minds think alike.

Another watch I have is this Tissot PR50:




It has the same movement, functions and double digital-behind-analogue display of a Breitling, (or a copy of it), but cost 250 instead of 3,500. It has a much thinner case, and lacks the adornment of most Breitlings, but I like that, as I prefer the plainer look - and it's less prone to having the p*ss taken. It has a sapphire glass and the whole case and strap are made of titanium, so it's very lightweight.
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Old 16th Aug 2020, 15:29
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Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 View Post
A routine service on a Rolex is about 400.
Don't ask me how I know.
Who is your dealer? as my last service was 625!!!
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Old 16th Aug 2020, 16:06
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Who is your dealer? as my last service was 625!!!
Had mine serviced towards the end of last year, together with a replacement shaft that drives the second hand and a new crystal. Cost was just under 800. Last time I had it serviced and regulated before that the cost came to around 350, IIRC, but that was around 15 years or so ago. TBH, I don't think that's a bad price, as I had a pocket watch serviced earlier this year, and the cost to strip, clean, re-build and regulate that came to just under 250. Given the labour involved in servicing a watch, it's never going to be that cheap.
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Old 16th Aug 2020, 17:47
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Who is your dealer? as my last service was 625!!!
No dealer's markup. Took it to Rolex HQ at West Malling, and had a look to see what little remained of the old RAF station.
AIUI they replace any marked external parts, which puts the price up considerably. Mine was still in very clean condition so no new parts. They did polish it nicely though.
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Old 16th Aug 2020, 20:30
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Enjoyed reading this thread very much. I bought my GMT Master in 1973, in Singapore, from my good friend Alex Chew, of Chew Cheong Jewellers, in the Shaw Centre at corner of Orchard and Scotts Roads. Loved living in Singapore in those days. Paid about US$300 as I recall. It's been a good companion all these years.

Years later, when I lived in Hong Kong, as I would be walking down Nathan Road, the hustlers would invariably be out there - "Copy watch Mister?" I would show them my arm; and took some small satisfaction in replying, "No thanks, already got one."

At its most recent service, earlier this year, the jeweler offered me $5,000 for it on the spot. I must confess, I really had to think about that for a minute. Couldn't do it though. Hopefully, my nephew will enjoy it as much as I have when it becomes his.
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Old 17th Aug 2020, 00:21
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An official Rolex dealer has to return the watch to specified conditions during a service which ups the price considerably. An after market repairer won’t insist that you replace the dial if it’s slightly corroded and will let you keep the leather strap you put on.

The key is finding a good repairer but Google should take care of that. A routine service on a standard submariner shouldn’t be too difficult but I’d be a bit more careful with an extreme depth watch with helium escape valves that I was using in saturation diving.
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Old 17th Aug 2020, 03:14
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I'm an amateur hobbyist and I could probably service your Seiko in my sleep. Problem is I'm in Malaysia so postage may cost the same!

My guess is it has a 7S26 (or 7S36) movement, these watches are great runners but one issue with earlier ones if the hairspring does not take kindly to being bumped...it's quite an easy fix.

Ask around and see if you could find someone local to you who can fix it..

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