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Hong Kong -- What does the future hold?

Old 6th Mar 2021, 07:15
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https://www.politico.eu/article/uk-h...seas-benefits/

UK changes course to allow benefits access for Hong Kongers

People at ‘imminent risk of destitution’ will be able to apply for public funds on a case-by-case basis.
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Old 6th Mar 2021, 09:41
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Just before the Takeover in 1997 Hong Kong was a ghost city as far as tourists were concerned. The Harbour tourboats were all tied and you could negotiate a hotel room down to cleaning costs. Should that effect be repeated then the retail sector is going to collapse and with it the economy.
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Old 6th Mar 2021, 10:33
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Given the way Communist management is taking things, just what attractions will there be for the tourist trade?
Dictatorships have never been really popular destinations except with citizens of other dictatorships and even then not high on their tourism bucket lists.
Business interest will continue to diminish as it becomes just a new Chinese extension.
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Old 6th Mar 2021, 11:19
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Originally Posted by meadowrun View Post
Given the way Communist management is taking things, just what attractions will there be for the tourist trade?
Dictatorships have never been really popular destinations except with citizens of other dictatorships and even then not high on their tourism bucket lists.
Business interest will continue to diminish as it becomes just a new Chinese extension.
Around 145 million tourists traveled to China from other countries in 2019, I suppose not all of them from dictatorships.
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Old 6th Mar 2021, 17:31
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"just what attractions will there be for the tourist trade?"

I am bemused. Either you have not been to Hong Kong, or you were understandably jet lagged.
Visitors are still overwhelmed by the sights, smells and sheer uniqueness of Hong Kong, and that's nothing to do with politics.



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Old 6th Mar 2021, 18:14
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I've been. Just how long that 'uniqueness' will last is perhaps the question when it's folded into the Chinese monolith
- and that's all politics.

In other news:
The US is expressing growing concern over a hack on Microsoft's Exchange email software that the tech company has blamed on China.

"This is an active threat," White House press secretary Jen Psaki said on Friday. "Everyone running these servers - government, private sector, academia - needs to act now to patch them."

Microsoft said hackers had used its mail server to attack their targets.

It is reported that tens of thousands of US organisations may be impacted.
The Microsoft Threat Intelligence Center (MSTIC) attributed the attacks with "high confidence" to a "state-sponsored threat actor" based in China which they named Hafnium. The tech giant said Hafnium had tried to steal information from groups such as infectious disease researchers, law firms, higher education institutions and defence contractors. bbc
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Old 6th Mar 2021, 18:59
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Around 145 million tourists traveled to China from other countries in 2019, I suppose not all of them from dictatorships
That is understandable. I worked there for over a decade and travelled over a large part of it and there was always something amazing just around the corner.

Honk Kong? I would only go there if I had to.
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Old 7th Mar 2021, 10:03
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Over on the "Fragrant Harbour" forum, one gets the distinct unease felt by the CX chaps.
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Old 8th Apr 2021, 21:44
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https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/h...n-uk-0nhh6km3z

Hong Kong democracy leader Nathan Law granted asylum in UK

Nathan Law, the pro-democracy leader who fled Beijing’s crackdown in Hong Kong last summer, has been granted asylum in Britain.

Law’s announcement, which is likely to further inflame tensions between London and Beijing, came as the British government revealed a plan to help Hongkongers fleeing to Britain to find housing, education and employment.

Law, 27, expressed gratitude for the Home Office’s decision to grant him asylum after he fled arrest under the draconian national security law imposed on Hong Kong by Beijing last summer. He was wanted on suspicion of inciting secession.

“The fact that I am wanted under the national security law shows that I am exposed to severe political persecution and am unlikely to return to Hong Kong without risk,” he tweeted.....

Last year Boris Johnson implemented a scheme to give holders of British National (Overseas) passports a five year visa giving them the right to live and work in Britain and a pathway to citizenship. Today the government promised £43 million pounds to create support hubs to help families and individuals resettle and find housing and employment.

About 27,000 Hongkongers have applied for the visa and the Home Office anticipates up to 150,000 applications in the first year.

Robert Jenrick, the communities secretary, told the BBC that Britain wanted to provide “necessary” help, including the provision of school places.

“If they struggle, then we’re here to support them,” he said. “That means local councils being there to provide them with housing, with the benefit system standing behind them, with all the support the state can offer to make sure that no-one gets into difficult times.”

Jenrick said that he expected the new arrivals to make a “real and important contribution” to the UK and that many had qualifications in teaching, medicine or engineering.

There are forecasts that more than 300,000 Hong Kong residents could emigrate over the next five years and Bank of America estimates their exodus could trigger capital outflows of $36 billion this year.

Law arrived in Britain before the scheme began in January but was not eligible as he does not hold BNO status. He called the resettlement initiative “an excellent policy and dedication that will help many HKers to integrate into the UK community. We are grateful for these much needed measures.”

He also urged the Home Office to look favourably on others who seek asylum but whose cases are less well documented publicly.

“I hope that my case can help the Home Office understand more about the complicated situation in Hong Kong,” he said. “To free more protesters from Beijing’s authoritarian oppression, the Home Office could consider more comprehensive evidence when coping with Hong Kong cases.”
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Old 9th Apr 2021, 09:20
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I've had an association with HKG going back to the early 80s., its hard to believe now I will likely never return....I think I am glad I didn't realise that when last I was there.....
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Old 9th Apr 2021, 09:25
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Wouldn't setting up a Faux HKG (town / village / city) be a fun thing in a host country? Many ex residents living out their lives in a way that China decided to renege on their deal? I know the US reneged on their deal with Tehran under Trump, so China probably points to that, but imagine instead of having 'China Towns' in cities around the World, you had 'Hong Kong Towns'...imagine the heartache that would cause Beijing!
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Old 9th Apr 2021, 12:14
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Originally Posted by Fliegenmong View Post
Wouldn't setting up a Faux HKG (town / village / city) be a fun thing in a host country? Many ex residents living out their lives in a way that China decided to renege on their deal? I know the US reneged on their deal with Tehran under Trump, so China probably points to that, but imagine instead of having 'China Towns' in cities around the World, you had 'Hong Kong Towns'...imagine the heartache that would cause Beijing!
I've married into a Hong Kong family so I maybe know a little of what I'm talking about, but I'm not familiar with many 'Chinatowns' around the world so I'm going out on a limb a bit when say that I think most of them are probably more like Hong Kong than China. Certainly the predominant language in the ones I've been to was Cantonese rather than Mandarin. That's slowly changing now, much as it is in Hong Kong.

In the 1980's I had a theory my wife could go into a town almost anywhere in the developed world and she'd find a Chinese restaurant where she'd be able to speak to the staff in Cantonese (not that we actually go to many Chinese restaurants outside Hong Kong).

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Old 9th Apr 2021, 12:15
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Many fleeing HK will be genuine refugees and need treating as such, so a good use of public funds. Look what happened to Uganda under Idi Amin when he kicked out all the Asians - I know our company got some very good people, and I would expect that the same could happen with HKers.
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Old 10th Apr 2021, 04:02
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Spent ten days in '71 on R & R with the bride in Hong Kong, the only visit ever, enjoyed it immensely, country and people, particularly the kindness shown by our elderly gentleman waiter who attended us each meal time at the Park Hotel, always ready with a shawl for the ladies if he thought the air conditioning might be a little cool. Tipped him most generously at the end of our stay, which he placed in a container on a sideboard, no, no we told him, it's for you, but he was adamant that it went into the community pot.
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Old 16th Apr 2021, 06:00
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https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/3...heme-dbcq0vw5c

3,000 Hongkongers a week applying for visa scheme

Hongkongers are applying for the bespoke visa route for British National Overseas passport holders at a rate of 3,000 per week, leaked figures reveal.

More than 35,000 British National Overseas (BNO) citizens from Hong Kong have applied for the five-year scheme, The Times has learnt.

The immigration route was offered to citizens in Hong Kong after China’s security crackdown last summer. Applications opened in January. The number of people who applied within the first ten weeks is more than a tenth of the 300,000 that the government expects to request the visa over the next five years, suggesting it has underestimated the appetite for the scheme.

The Home Office has forecast that between 123,000 and 153,000 BNO citizens and their dependants will apply in the first year. There are 350,000 Hongkongers who hold BNO passports and a further 2.5 million who are eligible for one. With an additional 2.5 million dependants, up to 5.4 million Hongkongers could apply for the visa and a path to full British citizenship.

The government has put no limits on the number who could be admitted but expects many to stay in Hong Kong or prefer to move to places in the Pacific region such as Taiwan or Singapore.

The permanent scheme offers a much more generous visa than previous routes for Hongkongers, including five years’ leave to remain. After the five years they will be able to apply for settled status and after a further 12 months they will be able to apply for citizenship.

This month the government announced a £43 million fund to help Hongkongers to integrate into local communities. The programme will use 12 “welcome hubs” to help them to access housing, education and employment to build a life in the UK.

A government spokesman said: “This new visa route reflects the UK’s historic and moral commitment to those people of Hong Kong who chose to retain their ties to the UK by taking up BNO status . . . [they] will be expected to be selfsufficient and contribute to UK society and the implementation of this visa is estimated to have a net positive impact on the UK.”
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Old 16th Apr 2021, 08:41
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And so the madness continues.
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