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Old 14th Jan 2022, 06:48
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Is it normal for victims of trafficking to have mobile phones and boast to their friends over what they claim to have done ? It also seems odd that this "prisoner" was taken to a nightclub where I presume you could simply walk out the door. We're not talking about some seedy backstreet dive where the doors are locked but a world famous London venue which has cameras everywhere.

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Old 14th Jan 2022, 09:19
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Originally Posted by B Fraser View Post
Is it normal for victims of trafficking to have mobile phones and boast to their friends over what they claim to have done ? It also seems odd that this "prisoner" was taken to a nightclub where I presume you could simply walk out the door. We're not talking about some seedy backstreet dive where the doors are locked but a world famous London venue which has cameras everywhere.

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Elite bars and clubs never squeal, and the atmosphere is totally different from your typical skank hole. I once got into one because I knew the frontman of the then in-vogue band "No" that was playing. Anyways, it's what goes on afterwards that is the bit where things get incredible but always remain hazy.
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Old 14th Jan 2022, 09:32
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Is it normal for victims of trafficking to have mobile phones and boast to their friends over what they claim to have done ? It also seems odd that this "prisoner" was taken to a nightclub where I presume you could simply walk out the door.
Paraphrasing quite a good explanation I saw elsewhere: Traffickers seek out vulnerable people and offer them what they think they want, in order to get them to do what the trafficker wants. I have no way of knowing what really happened in this particular situation, but just because a vulnerable person is willing in the moment, doesn't necessarily mean they're not being exploited.
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Old 14th Jan 2022, 09:54
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Originally Posted by B Fraser View Post
Is it normal for victims of trafficking to have mobile phones and boast to their friends over what they claim to have done ? It also seems odd that this "prisoner" was taken to a nightclub where I presume you could simply walk out the door. We're not talking about some seedy backstreet dive where the doors are locked but a world famous London venue which has cameras everywhere.

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Relax. A contributor posted a link, ostensibly written by a " journalist " who wasn't part of the global MSM conspiracy in reporting the allegations against Andrew and which showed he will obviously be exonerated .

Strangely, the contents of this glowing text seem to have eluded his legal team, the Palace and the judge in question.
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Old 14th Jan 2022, 10:10
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I doubt they read the Guardian, the edition dated January 9th in particular.
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Old 14th Jan 2022, 12:02
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Originally Posted by B Fraser View Post
Is it normal for victims of trafficking to have mobile phones and boast to their friends over what they claim to have done ? It also seems odd that this "prisoner" was taken to a nightclub where I presume you could simply walk out the door. We're not talking about some seedy backstreet dive where the doors are locked but a world famous London venue which has cameras everywhere.

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You could say the same about the victims of the Rochdale child grooming scandal. That they could have walked away. It is a lot more complicated that.
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Old 14th Jan 2022, 12:09
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I rather doubt any of those (much younger) victims were texting their friends, boasting about it.
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Old 14th Jan 2022, 12:53
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I rather doubt any of those (much younger) victims were texting their friends, boasting about it.
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Old 14th Jan 2022, 12:56
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I rather doubt any of those (much younger) victims were texting their friends, boasting about it.
I would be less certain, Grooming is an insidious process whereby the victims are made to feel special and girls will share,
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Old 14th Jan 2022, 20:22
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I would be less certain, Grooming is an insidious process whereby the victims are made to feel special and girls will share,
oh she shared alright. She shared so much that she recruited other girls. Oh, let me guess, she was forced to or that is also part of the grooming.

strange how she is only going after the most high profile person. The one who will not go to court. Only one senior Royal in over 120 years has ever been in court and that was over a minor dog attack case. She knows full well he or any other senior Royal will not testify so will be forced to settle, This is a civil not criminal case. So she can play the media in the uk. There is no way this would ever go to trial as a criminal matter. Lack of evidence and what crime was committed given she was over the age of consent. She is not saying she was raped. She was saying it was Epstein that forced her as she was trafficked. Did Andrew know this.

she is almost as bad as Epstein and maxwell. If this was about justice, there would be a long list of names of all the men who slept with her. Ask yourself why there isn’t. Or are we to believe only Andrew slept with her.
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Old 15th Jan 2022, 09:13
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Ask yourself why there isn’t. Or are we to believe only Andrew slept with her.
Maybe because she is going for the softest target (for the reasons you state) in order to establish precedent and credibility and fill hers and her lawyers war chest before then naming other names in future cases?

I am no fan of the man in question but i am deeply uncomfortable about what the implications of this process are for justice and the presumption of innocence going forwards.
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Old 15th Jan 2022, 13:56
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Foxxster and OvertHawk,

I agree with your thoughts. I wonder if he could ignore the US court case: what could they do? Award damages? So if those aren't paid? Provided Andy doesn't leave the UK. he should be relatively safe. He might even declare bankruptcy after moving money around....and maybe the sum she is claiming could indeed make him bankrupt.
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Old 15th Jan 2022, 14:18
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I wonder if he could ignore the US court case: what could they do? Award damages? So if those aren't paid? Provided Andy doesn't leave the UK. he should be relatively safe.
Doubtless he could.

But if we thought his reputation was in tatters already, it would be infinitely worse once he's walking around with that judgment over his head.
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Old 15th Jan 2022, 14:30
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I am no fan of the man in question but i am deeply uncomfortable about what the implications of this process are for justice and the presumption of innocence going forwards.
All we have seen so far is a photo of a very happy looking young woman of legal age posing next to him for the camera. Where is the guilt in that? ​​​​​​​
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Old 15th Jan 2022, 15:45
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And looking very happy about it. I assume her $500,000 has run out and she wants a topup.
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Old 15th Jan 2022, 16:13
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For all those tacitly defending Andrew, formerly HRH please note, you seem to have missed the reaction from the Palace.

Protecting brand Windsor is something they have a lot of experience and expertise in doing over the years. We obviously don't know the intimate details, no pun intended, but, when the reaction to the alleged events is so ruthless, then it's apparent that what may emerge is going to be very repugnant in the eyes of many.

And lets not forget a certain interview, one he was reportedly strongly advised by professionals not to participate in, yet chose to ignore, and by doing so opened himself up to deeper and more public scrutiny as a result.
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Old 15th Jan 2022, 17:13
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It's not uncommon for young ladies (above and below age of consent) to share opportunities involving generous men. Travel, luxurious accommodations, baubles... can be powerful inducements.

Some of these men are not careful enough about age verification in the recent legal climate in certain jurisdictions which can come down hard on those indulging themselves with the underage.

A biography of Prince Philip noted that he attended a number of country house parties where female companionship would be supplied if you weren't bringing your own. The apple did not fall far from the tree.
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Old 15th Jan 2022, 19:28
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A biography of Prince Philip noted that he attended a number of country house parties where female companionship would be supplied if you weren't bringing your own. The apple did not fall far from the tree.
Do you not need to give some evidence of underage women if you are making these allegations, or do you feel your word is good enough ?
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Old 15th Jan 2022, 20:10
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I suspect the women may not have been under age, but "available" as RatherBeFlying sort of insinuated from the biography of Prince Phillip he had read.
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Old 15th Jan 2022, 20:34
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Allegations Against Heath
In 2017, following a two year investigation on the part of the British police, allegations of sexual misconduct and sexual assault surfaced against Heath. Of the 42 allegations, police at the time said that seven of the claims, including five accounts of sexual assault against boys as young as 10, were serious enough to have warranted Heath being questioned, had he been alive at the time. According to reports, the allegations covered a time period of nearly forty years, beginning in 1956 to 1992.
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