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Old 31st May 2020, 16:30
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The Twitter feed from that chap has literally dozens of similar events recorded: https://twitter.com/chadloder Even accepting that this is very selective reporting, the level of violence from the police and national guard has to be seen to be believed. If anything, I'd have thought that this sort of mindless lashing out by the instruments of the state against the people is probably more, rather than less, likely to result in escalation of the rioting. Tens of thousands of people will have seen some, maybe all, of these recorded acts of apparently unprovoked violence, particularly, perhaps, what seems to be deliberate targeting of the media reporting these events, and may well be provoked into taking action themselves. Hard to watch some of this stuff and not feel the need to protest about it, even sat here, thousands of miles away in peace and quiet.
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Old 31st May 2020, 16:36
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What I've just seen is horrific. I can't believe it's happening in a country that I made my home for a while. Even firing blanks into a group of young ladies is utterly unforgivable, and I don't think these were blanks. They were well inside their own property and I think, on a porch.

My clip was taken in bright sunlight but porch was in shadow.


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Old 31st May 2020, 16:52
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There are systemic issues with the way American police officers behave, especially towards the black community
A generalization.
Big country, many people, all sorts of attitudes.
The American police forces are not all white ole boys and the black communities are not all full of blameless angels.
It is one thing to peacefully protest great injustices and another to use (by some, a significant portion) those injustices as an excuse to find the nearest Target or Starbucks to loot and burn.
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Old 31st May 2020, 17:00
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Originally Posted by meadowrun View Post
A generalization.
Big country, many people, all sorts of attitudes.
The American police forces are not all white ole boys and the black communities are not all full of blameless angels.
It is one thing to peacefully protest great injustices and another to use (by some, a significant portion) those injustices as an excuse to find the nearest Target or Starbucks to loot and burn.
Please inform yourself. The looting, and violent actions towards police, comes from about 5% or less of the protesters.

If you call that a significant portion, God Forbid I should ever have to deal with you professionally in any capacity involving mathematics.
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Old 31st May 2020, 17:01
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It is one thing to peacefully protest great injustices and another to use (by some, a significant portion) those injustices as an excuse to find the nearest Target or Starbucks to loot and burn.
Absolutely right! And there will likely be some agitators from the extreme right or left, or from criminal gangs egging these thugs on.
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Old 31st May 2020, 17:16
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That 5% or 3.6% or 6.14%, in exercising their criminal tendencies, seem to have had significant effects. Remarkable what small numbers can do to a situation.
At the same time, I am losing count of the cities under curfew or national guard activations because of their activities. Bad math me.
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Old 31st May 2020, 19:32
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All together now: "Four dead in Ohio". Has anything changed in those 50 years?
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Old 31st May 2020, 20:25
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Trump signed an Executive Order in late March anticipating the the need for a massive increases in law enforcement and military personnel needed to control the complete breakdown of social disorder coming to America.

This is just the start. The US is in a corner with many people now starting to run out of money and as Powell has indicated, the only way out is to crank up the printing press and produce gargantuan amounts of cash. Such a move will only provide short term relief but long term damage to an already gutted debt laden economy.

Things will unravel the most when food supply chains start to break down and hyper inflation kicks in.

Buckle up, America as we knew it is not coming back.

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Old 31st May 2020, 22:03
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but a comparison to the activities of the dictatorial and racist Chinese communist system just does not wash.
But you have your own dictatorial (more authoritarian with aspirations of dictatorship) and racist leader running the show, so I think the comparisons are extremely valid.

Under Trump, America is becoming the type of country that our generation and generations before us in the West fought to oppose.
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Old 31st May 2020, 23:05
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trump does not control or run the entire show. He may think he is an anointed king but, frustratingly for him, there is still a big chunk of real democratic government in place , unlike China.
.........and........ he's not my prez.
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Old 1st Jun 2020, 00:12
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I really can't believe what I'm watching in those videos. This is what some here would call 'the land of the free'? Here you see the effect of the President's words, the police think they have carte blanche to do as they please, attack civilians and the media. The way the police are going for the media is particularly terrifying, that is the kind of thing that has generally happened in certain kinds of states in the past. The ones we fought to defend liberty. How sad to see people now supporting the philosophy our previous generations fought to protect us from. They are not patriots, indeed the opposite.

The irony of people who will die on the hill of the right to gun ownership to protect their civil rights, criticising people protesting about the loss of the right to life. If you really think these people shouldn't be protesting, when we have video of numerous black people being essentially murdered by the police, well it's fairly clear what you are. It seems even since the civil rights movement, many white Americans still think the constitution only applies to them. All these constitutional obsessives, you would think they would be supporting these protests, people challenging state overreach and state killing of people. If that is not an issue that deserves challenging the state what is?

Imagine if white people were being routinely unnecessarily killed by black police on video. How do you think those here criticising the current protests would react? If some here are honest with themselves about that, then you must accept it is racism. It may not even be conscious, the society breeds institutional racism. The same in Australia, mention the Aboriginal people and many seemingly wonderful people suddenly turn into horrid bigots. Australian friends have told me it is actually difficult not to come out of the system racist there, so ingrained is it in the system. Britain has had its share of problems with the police too. So there you go, I'm not 'anti-America', I'm anti racism.
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Old 1st Jun 2020, 00:32
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Originally Posted by wishiwasupthere View Post
Under Trump, America is becoming the type of country that our generation and generations before us in the West fought to oppose.
Americans have been doing this to fellow Americans for generations. Remember Kent State just over 50 years ago.


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Old 1st Jun 2020, 00:58
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Home of the blaze,
Land of the free TV looted from the store...
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Old 1st Jun 2020, 03:12
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Originally Posted by wishiwasupthere View Post
Under Trump, America is becoming the type of country that our generation and generations before us in the West fought to oppose.
Horrid as Trump is America was long on the path to the current environment years ago. The rates of poverty and inequality for black people and their treatment by police were long ingrained into society before 2016. The US had the worlds highest per capita imprisonment rate before 2016. The flatlining of real wealth growth amongst the bottom 50% stalled long before 2016. The lack of a basic social safety net for the most vulnerable existed before 2016. A media which played on white fears of the dreaded “others” was around well before 2016. An authoritarian government which lied about war, spied on its own populace, and uses torture and illegal surveillance existed before 2016.

Trump is just a symptom of the underlying problems. Voting for Biden in November won’t change much to be frank.


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Old 1st Jun 2020, 03:29
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Horrid as Trump is America was long on the path to the current environment years ago. The rates of poverty and inequality for black people and their treatment by police were long ingrained into society before 2016. The US had the worlds highest per capita imprisonment rate before 2016. The flatlining of real wealth growth amongst the bottom 50% stalled long before 2016. The lack of a basic social safety net for the most vulnerable existed before 2016. A media which played on white fears of the dreaded “others” was around well before 2016. An authoritarian government which lied about war, spied on its own populace, and uses torture and illegal surveillance existed before 2016.

Trump is just a symptom of the underlying problems. Voting for Biden in November won’t change much to be frank.
Sadly all very true. You see it here, there are plenty of folk very happy with the situation, as long as they're OK they couldn't care less about 'others' being essentially denied their consitutional rights. They seem to take pleasure in it, because they obviously rather like their privilege. A lot of the racism you see is people incredibly insecure that maybe if the USA was a meritocracy, they might not fare so well. It's a real shame the county deliberately hinders it own potential with the engineered inequality. So many potential bright people that could contribute so much, that are never give a chance.

And the irrational hatred of Obama is rather a give away. The rage about the tiniest things he did, while giving Trump a pass on everything. I wonder what it could possibly be that makes some people react with such hate towards Obama. Even if you do;n't like his politics he at least gave an impression of caring. The current President has shown more concern about his lies being highlighted, than the 100,000 people who have died and he finds it so hard to express a word of sympathy for. I ask if anyone if they think objectively, genuinely thinks this pandemic would have been handled worse by Obama? Frankly,like with the UK government, it wouldn't really be possible to handle it worse.

The USA is a sick broken country, Alas some of its citizens would rather keep it that way to maintain their privilege. Patriots they are not.
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Old 1st Jun 2020, 04:16
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Originally Posted by NumptyAussie View Post
Americans have been doing this to fellow Americans for generations. Remember Kent State just over 50 years ago.

"...what if you knew her
and found her dead on the ground.
How can you run when you know?


I CAN'T BREATHE.


BLACK LIVES MATTER.

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Old 1st Jun 2020, 04:38
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We are seeing the chickens come home to roost for a governmental system that allows 44-46% of the People to rule over the other 54-56%. And act as though it can ignore those others completely, with little comity or cooperation. "We got our 50%+1 - screw you!"

Our system is supposed to temper a "dictatorship of the majority" by giving limited veto power to the minority (and a Bill of Rights) - but right now what we have is a "dictatorship of the minority," as shepherded by Trump, Barr, and McConnell.

And unfortunately, legal hairsplitting about the Constitutional structure - a compromise with the slave states from the very beginning - loses track of the fact that such government fails a key measure of its claim to legitimacy: the consent of the governed.

One can perhaps argue "whataboutism," (but give me some numbers). But in point of fact the US has only one government at a time, and the current administration and Congress and Court are the only ones that count right now. And they are losing the consent or acquiesence of the governed, due to their thuggish abuse of the power they hold, and the thuggish, bullying behavior of their principle.
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Old 1st Jun 2020, 06:46
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Trump after the Ferguson riots in 2014;

"Our country is totally fractured and, with our weak leadership in Washington, you can expect Ferguson type riots and looting in other places.”

"As China and the rest of the World continue to rip off the U.S. economically, they laugh at us and our president over the riots in Ferguson!"

"Can you imagine what Putin and all of our friends and enemies throughout the world are saying about the U.S. as they watch the Ferguson riot?"

Now Trump hides in a bunker in the White House with the lights turned off, “leading” the US through multiple parallel crisis 280 characters at a time.



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Old 1st Jun 2020, 07:10
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the US has only one government at a time, and the current administration and Congress and Court are the only ones that count right now
Congress is Republican these days? Who knew?
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Old 1st Jun 2020, 08:01
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When the white Aussie girl was shot dead by a black policeman in Minneapolis we did not have this level of violence. I feel for America and hope you can solve all your problems.
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