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Old 30th May 2020, 01:03
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Our country is on fire today. People are still dying. We’ve got to get some leadership in our Country. Instead, we have an incompetent Tweet-throwing lunatic at the helm
What a silly post, Dea. When I posted something along the same lines a page or so ago (about how I thought Democrat leadership by big-city mayors and their police commissioners might have something to do with today's crises in the streets) I was rapidly told by my opponents that this was a ridiculous concept.

So mayors and governors have zero responsibility for order in their streets, but Trump is an incompetent lunatic.

We have leadership, Dea. Thankfully not the one you would have preferred, and hopefully not the mentally declining idiot your party is putting up to replace Trump. Rather, one who has to date managed to get 200 federal judges appointed, to begin a long term reversal of the "leadership" you apparently miss.

Not to worry, though. There's still a California.
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Old 30th May 2020, 01:33
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[QUOTE=Dea Certe;10797152]
Originally Posted by fltlt View Post
Our country is on fire today. People are still dying. We’ve got to get some leadership in our Country. Instead, we have an incompetent Tweet-throwing lunatic at the helm . I’m worried for all of us. Let’s agree on this: I’ll stay in my State, you stay where you’re happy. At the end of the day, it’s our Country and we’ve got to pull it together before it falls to its knees
Spare us your drivel Dea. I called you out on your claims Dea, you offered ZERO facts to back up your claims. Instead you doubled down on your fall back hysterical, need for sedation position that the USA is "on fire" without the facts to back it up. You have 27 total posts on this forum and have offered nothing to it or the betterment in society.

This is a professional pilots forum, or it should be. Find another vent for you angst,

Thank you, but good riddance.

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Old 30th May 2020, 01:35
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We have leadership
You have a ‘leader’ who acts more decisively against a social media company than against a highly contagious disease that has so far infected over 1 million people and killed over 100000 people in 3 months, and you call that good leadership? Your country is going down the toilet, yet there is an unbelievable level of delusion to not see it. The rot starts from the top.

We’re watching a failed state unfold on our smart phones from the comfort of our couches.
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Old 30th May 2020, 02:30
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CHINA, the WHO and HONG KONG

President Trump gave a speech on the White House lawn today, which will go down in history as one of the finest ever delivered by a POTUS. Friday 29 May 2020. Whoever wrote it, wrote it for him, in his delivery style and he did not go off message. He then walked away. Someone has got to him and transformed him.

The content was also significant. A clear and robust domestic and international policy change. The US is going to 'war' with China over Hong Kong, the Covid 19, "Wuhan Virus", and the WHO (which means the UN as a whole).


Keep that up and he will be the next President of the United States.

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Old 30th May 2020, 03:06
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Originally Posted by Brakes on View Post
for crying out loud. THIS IS NOT A COMPETITION! There are over one million deaths in the US. Trump did nothing for seven weeks other than golfing and holding rallies. He keeps congratulating himself over and over again for his 'ban' on flights from China. In reality it wasn't a ban, because 40,000+ people on flights from China arivved in the US (in New York?) untested and unquarantined.
Sorry, you cant even get the basic facts correct. There have not been over 1 million dead from Covid in the US.
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Old 30th May 2020, 03:24
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[QUOTE=WhatsaLizad?;10797173]
Originally Posted by Dea Certe View Post

Spare us your drivel Dea. I called you out on your claims Dea, you offered ZERO facts to back up your claims. Instead you doubled down on your fall back hysterical, need for sedation position that the USA is "on fire" without the facts to back it up. You have 27 total posts on this forum and have offered nothing to it or the betterment in society.

This is a professional pilots forum, or it should be. Find another vent for you angst,

Thank you, but good riddance.

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Old 30th May 2020, 03:42
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Originally Posted by West Coast View Post
Sorry, you cant even get the basic facts correct. There have not been over 1 million dead from Covid in the US.
West, I'm at my end with contributing to PPRuNe. It's become a joke with the latest addled, disturbed and somewhat medicated single or double digit new posters pontificating their latest social musings on JB or other forums. It's far worse regarding actual incidents or accidents. The utter fools that post their idiotic thoughts about the latest aviation incidents are simply too tough to respond to for a person with three+ decades in the industry. I know part of it is growing into a grumpy old man, but another part is the large group of immature children here who can't understand the concept of "SFTU, you don't know chit" without crying to a mod and banning the poster who makes sense.

To summarize, as a an experienced aircrew, PPRuNe is becoming worthless to any real aircrew sitting in the front seats of aircraft.

Go look at the asinine, inane, ridiculous and retarded comments on the PIA accident thread. The victim's bodies hadn't even reached room temperatures before the stupidity started. Although well meaning, many posters never figured out the concept of keeping their mouths shut and learning about aviation and flying. Of course, there are many well informed and knowledgeable posters providing valuable insights to the event, thanks to them.

Of all the idiocy stuff on PPRuNe, my guess is this post won't survive the pusillanimous MODS by hours.

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Old 30th May 2020, 04:02
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Originally Posted by WhatsaLizad? View Post
West, I'm at my end with contributing to PPRuNe. It's become a joke with the latest addled, disturbed and somewhat medicated single or double digit new posters pontificating their latest social musings on JB or other forums. It's far worse regarding actual incidents or accidents. The utter fools that post their idiotic thoughts about the latest aviation incidents are simply too tough to respond to for a person with three+ decades in the industry. I know part of it is growing into a grumpy old man, but another part is the large group of immature children here who can't understand the concept of "SFTU, you don't know chit" without crying to a mod and banning the poster who makes sense.

To summarize, as a an experienced aircrew, PPRuNe is becoming worthless to any real aircrew sitting in the front seats of aircraft.

Go look at the asinine, inane, ridiculous and retarded comments on the PIA accident thread. The victim's bodies hadn't even reached room temperatures before the stupidity started. Although well meaning, many posters never figured out the concept of keeping their mouths shut and learning about aviation and flying. Of course, there are many well informed and knowledgeable posters providing valuable insights to the event, thanks to them.

Of all the idiocy stuff on PPRuNe, my guess is this post won't survive the pusillanimous MODS by hours.

Adieu
Absolutely understand. Hopefully you’ll pop in from time to time still.
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Old 30th May 2020, 14:21
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Can anyone here inform this old and puzzled person across the Pond what would happen if one of a group of mostly overweight (ie obese) black police officers knelt on a white man's neck, thus causing his eventual death, although the man was unarmed, not dangerous and possibly not even guilty of a serious crime?
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Old 30th May 2020, 14:23
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Originally Posted by obgraham View Post
When I posted something along the same lines a page or so ago (about how I thought Democrat leadership by big-city mayors and their police commissioners might have something to do with today's crises in the streets) I was rapidly told by my opponents that this was a ridiculous concept.
So mayors and governors have zero responsibility for order in their streets, but Trump is an incompetent lunatic.
I agree, it is a ridiculous concept and Trump is an incompetent lunatic, you nailed it! BTW, you didn't say "might have' you said 'did have'.However, there are some things you have missed or glossed over regarding big-city mayors and police commissioners. Did you happen know this?

Why are so many NYC mayors Republicans? In the last 24 years, 14 years have had a Republican in office, and only 4 have had a Democrat.This is puzzling, as NYC is usually a very Democrat city.

In the time of Lincoln, Democrats were right wing and pro slavery. The new Republican party, which Lincoln helped found, was progressive for the times. During the 20th century, both parties changed roles, unevenly thru the US. The deep South segregationists were replaced by anti racists in the same Democratic party (in Georgia, going from Lester Maddox to Jimmy Carter, for example). So, the Southerners went to the Republican party, which had become right wing by then.

This change whereby Democrats and Republicans became the opposite of what they were, went slower in New York. So, to this day, most Republican leaders in modern New York from Nelson Rockefeller to John Lindsay, were moderate Republicans with liberal leanings.

I am guessing that you consider center or liberal leaning Republicans not Republicans at all, rather RINOs. Only far-right wing radicals are considered Republicans. Good luck with that thought if you want more Republican mayors and police commissioners in big cities where hardly any Republicans reside, NYC being somewhat of an exception.

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Old 30th May 2020, 15:51
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Originally Posted by obgraham View Post
We will change the police culture when the political leadership is in place to change it. You are unwilling to recognize that, and prefer the blame game.
obgraham, Don't be so politically naive, police culture has never changed and never will based on politicians making changes. Politicians are in place only to get reelected to another term, not to touch hot button issues like immunity that some probably have enjoyed. As you may know or maybe not, police and other government officials are given special immunity from prosecution of crimes or misconduct. It is a hurdle so high, very few police officers have ever been convicted of a crime or misconduct which occurred when they wore the uniform and displayed the badge. That could change shortly.

The US Supreme Court may announce as soon as Monday their intent to review immunity and whether or not police and other government officials deserve immunity. It is believed that several Justices want to cut back on immunity after reviewing recent case outcomes nearly all of which favored those that received immunity. You would be surprised that the most conservative Justice, Clarence Thomas, believes immunity doctrine has no historical basis for existing. He has support from one of the most liberal Justices, Sonia Sotomayor.

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Old 30th May 2020, 16:39
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What you are pointing out, Turbine, is that Conservatives, even at the highest level, will reconsider their views when circumstances change. Not, may I note, automatically CHANGE tneir views, but consider.

While Liberals allow nothing to divert them on their path for more control over others, no matter how heinous their behavior.

As to NYC, history shows that after steady declines in civility, even cynical New Yorkers get sick of the Dems snd put in a Republicsn, a la Lindsay, Giuliani, etc., during which the place gets safer, until their great desire for chaos returns and another Dem is elected.
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Old 30th May 2020, 20:28
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Originally Posted by West Coast View Post
Sorry, you cant even get the basic facts correct. There have not been over 1 million dead from Covid in the US.
Yeah, yeah, Corrected it already. This is obviously more important to you than the rest of the post.
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Old 30th May 2020, 20:32
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Yeah, yeah, Corrected it already. This is obviously more important to you than the rest of the tweet.
Corrected? You mean you educated yourself and found out the numbers you’ve been spouting were significantly inaccurate.


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Old 30th May 2020, 20:38
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Originally Posted by West Coast View Post
Corrected? You mean you educated yourself and found out the numbers you’ve been spouting were significantly inaccurate.
I read the post again and realized the number was wrong.
Are you on this thread to discuss typos?
And it was a number, not numbers.
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Old 30th May 2020, 20:55
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Originally Posted by old,not bold View Post
Can anyone here inform this old and puzzled person across the Pond what would happen if one of a group of mostly overweight (ie obese) black police officers knelt on a white man's neck, thus causing his eventual death, although the man was unarmed, not dangerous and possibly not even guilty of a serious crime?
That isn't the job of the cops, that's the job of the courts, ascertaining guilt or innocence. As to your hypothetical: no idea.

Whether the person was dangerous before being cuffed I don't know; not sure why they cuffed him. The cops are supposed to get a situation under control. Once cuffed and down, he would appear to have been under control.

Here's what mystifies me: there was more than one cop on the scene, and the guy was already cuffed. Situation seems to have been in control, so one wonders (based on one's limited exposure to law enforcement) why that cuffed man wasn't already trundled into the back set of the police vehicle. It seems rather off, so I'd love to know
(1) what else was going on and
(2) what was the factor that delayed getting the citizen under control and driven down to the station?
A time line, as with an airline accident, would be helpful in understanding why a pretty basic LE procedure wasn't carried out.
if one of a group of mostly overweight (ie obese) black police officers knelt on a white man's neck, thus causing his eventual death,
I am pretty sure black people would not have rioted. No idea on whether or not any other demographics would have taken to the streets, nor in what manner.

Is that where your across-the-pond naiveté was headed?

If you can explain to me why the riots erupted in Atlanta, that would be helpful. As you can see from looking at a map, that's a farther distance, from Minneapolis to Atlanta, than it is from John O' Groats to Land's End.

And to let you know: haven't seen any of the Latinos down in this area, nor any of the Anglos, rioting.
Is there a problem? Should they be?
Most of the cops 'round here are of some variation of Latin ancestry.

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Old 30th May 2020, 22:54
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If you can explain to me why the riots erupted in Atlanta, that would be helpful.
The reason there are national protests is simple - sympathy, empathy and support. Unequal treatment of people of color is not just a Minneapolis problem (nor even just an urban problem).

There appears to be a wide-spread (even national) opportunistic co-option and escalation of the George Floyd incident and demonstrations by radical groups, ranging from anarchists who simply want war with the police, to a handful of white-supremacists hoping this is the pathway to their long-desired race war. I would venture to guess that Chinese and Russian internet "sock-puppets" are egging this on - "You want to talk Hong Kong? Here's your Hong-Kong!"

Thus they are being turned into riots, not just 1st-Amendment assemblies to peaceably petition for redress of grievances.

Unfortunately, one way or the other, the authorities seem to have no way to deal with the situation except mass chemical assault. Which amounts to kicking a beehive and then wondering why their city gets stung. And tends to radicalize the non-radical.

I went down to the Colorado Capitol to observe last night's protest. it was initially peaceful, with the police staying well away around the edges. However, there were already signs of radical co-option - graffiti of the "ACAB" and "F*ck 12" type. And a growing number of light-skinned folks ("race" indeterminent) in black T-shirts with slogans, and black masks. Some of whom eventually began thowing things at the police (another form of kicking a beehive).

Obeying Niven's First Law, part B ("Never stand next to someone throwing sh*t at an armed man.") I turned and walked away, and thus caught only a minor whiff of the resulting tear-gas and pepperball response, combined with flash-bangs. First time for me - I was too young for most of the 1960s. An interesting life experience.

And to let you know: haven't seen any of the Latinos down in this area, nor any of the Anglos, rioting.
I'm afraid that just means you are not very observant.

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Old 30th May 2020, 23:44
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Old 31st May 2020, 00:11
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Originally Posted by Islandlad View Post
President Trump gave a speech on the White House lawn today, which will go down in history as one of the finest ever delivered by a POTUS. Friday 29 May 2020. Whoever wrote it, wrote it for him, in his delivery style and he did not go off message. He then walked away. Someone has got to him and transformed him.

The content was also significant. A clear and robust domestic and international policy change. The US is going to 'war' with China over Hong Kong, the Covid 19, "Wuhan Virus", and the WHO (which means the UN as a whole).
One of “finest ever delivered” whilst he simultaneously rage tweets?

Yeah, the USA which is currently at war with itself, at near war between races, a virtual war in the gridlocked partisan political scene, at near war over restarting the economy in the face of the pandemic, at ‘war’ with every other country they’ve sanctioned and tariffed, is going to be succeeding in a ‘war’ with China?

I think there is a massive social, moral, identity conflict we are now seeing boiling over in the streets of America, a conflict that is going to have to be solved by the US refocusing it’s priorities at home instead of starting more conflicts overseas.
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Old 31st May 2020, 02:17
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Riots in the streets. Army called in. 40 million unemployed. 100000 dead in three months. Has Trump finished making America great again?
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